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Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

#111

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The distinction between could could and should? Or the distinction between private and public? Because all are debated on a regular basis, vary by jurisdiction/country, and are not black and white. Take the issues surrounding filming police officers in public is an example.

Take the issues surrounding filming police officers in public is an example. Right, and that's a good example of what I was talking about in my earlier reply, with regard to any attempt at "fixing" the Ring situation leaving us in a worse place than where we are now. Currently, in the US, you have the right to put up a doorbell camera and record anything that happens on your property or in public areas adjacent to it…

The problem is that this is not your data alone. These devices are cloud hosted and subject to subpoena (at best). Indeed any restrictions on these recordings will serve the police.

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

#112

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>That the roommate didn't even consider the security and privacy of other people is Not Ok. That's a pretty ridiculous expectation to put on an end user. It's a normal phone doing normal phone things.

> It's a normal phone doing normal phone things. Listening for watch words 24/7 is not a normal phone thing. "Normal" phone conversations are between ~two people. This voice assistant crap is sending people's audio to - at least - Google for processing/analysis/storage/etc.

> Listening for watch words 24/7 is not a normal phone thing.

It is now.

At least from the perspective of your everyday-person.

From your perspective, this is not the case. But I wouldn't put the hacker news crowd in the "everyday-person" category.

Blame the companies, but don't put that ridiculous expectation on normal people.

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

#113

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> It's a normal phone doing normal phone things. Listening for watch words 24/7 is not a normal phone thing. "Normal" phone conversations are between ~two people. This voice assistant crap is sending people's audio to - at least - Google for processing/analysis/storage/etc.

> Listening for watch words 24/7 is not a normal phone thing. It is now. At least from the perspective of your everyday-person. From your perspective, this is not the case. But I wouldn't put the hacker news crowd in the "everyday-person" category. Blame the companies, but don't put that ridiculous expectation on normal people.

> It is now.

Sorry, but trying to normalise this crap is just not going to work.

Not sure why you're even attempting to.

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

#114

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> Listening for watch words 24/7 is not a normal phone thing. It is now. At least from the perspective of your everyday-person. From your perspective, this is not the case. But I wouldn't put the hacker news crowd in the "everyday-person" category. Blame the companies, but don't put that ridiculous expectation on normal people.

> It is now. Sorry, but trying to normalise this crap is just not going to work. Not sure why you're even attempting to.

Well, it seems to be normalized pretty well with the general public.

Re: Before buying Ring, WEMO or Roku, consider privacy issues

#115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Listening for watch words 24/7 is not a normal phone thing. It is now. At least from the perspective of your everyday-person. From your perspective, this is not the case. But I wouldn't put the hacker news crowd in the "everyday-person" category. Blame the companies, but don't put that ridiculous expectation on normal people.

> It is now. Sorry, but trying to normalise this crap is just not going to work. Not sure why you're even attempting to.

I'm not making a push to change things.

I'm just recognizing the current reality. I also agree that it's pretty crappy.

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