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Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by cwkoss »

forinti wrote: post #7
frostyj wrote: post #4

dilemma probably is, if you build restrooms, they will do drug in there.

Give them a better place to do drugs; a place where they get free needles and can throw away the old ones properly (so they won't leave them lying about).

I think it would be interesting to make a "voluntary prison" where anyone can go inside and receive free recreational drugs, meals and housing, but they have to have a clean pee test to get out.

If people want to lay around doing clean heroin, watching TV and hanging out with other addicts, give them a safe space to do so with minimal drain on the rest of society. Attach a minimum wage wavier so manufacturers could set up low skill jobs within, and addicts can save up for when they want to leave. Concentrate drug treatment, health, social and educational programs for economies of scale. Tie dose dispensation to biometric data to prevent people from receiving OD-levels of drugs, but allow them to slowly ratchet up if they wish to do so as tolerance builds. I'd imagine this could achieve a net-savings in cost of anti-drug programs and policing, and could be funded by cities which want to export their derelict addicts.

It would be an ugly business, but I think with proper considerations it could be more empathetic than current drug policy.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by artemonster »

gotoeleven wrote: post #74
hiharryhere wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Supervised injecting rooms have been a great success in Sydney https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/lessons-from-the-heroin-...

I believe safe injection rooms are a net positive because they reduce strain on ambulance services. That's great. But what's next? Massage parlors and day spas? Im sure they'd be able to better find a job if they were nice and limber and smelled nice. Maybe we should just give them free drugs? Otherwise they're just going to steal and panhandle to get money for drugs. Maybe we should just give them cash so they can b…

is your retina made out of digital binary light sensitive elements? so you only see black and white and nothing more? :) trying to strech the limits is the most idiotic way to "prove" a point

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by inferiorhuman »

cevn wrote: post #43
dmode wrote: post #40

Mods - can we update the title to “San Francisco dog poop crisis” ? Note that the category of tickets in 311 is “Human / Animal waste”. I personally went through 100 random tickets on the sf data portal and found that 95% were either dog poop or miss classified (eg abandoned car or trash collection). People automatically read the headline and correlate to human waste.

Huh. This whole time I thought the crisis was around human waste.

It is.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by inferiorhuman »

kbenson wrote: post #107
squidsurfer wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh come on, we all know it's not because of the dogs. San francisco is in the midst of a homelessness crisis, and all that comes with that.

A response of "oh, come on, we all know.." to someone that said they personally went through 100 tickets is not really contributing much. Worse, actually, as presenting your assumptions without evidence as counterfactuals to someone that purports to have actually done legwork actively muddies the discussion.

Of the more than 100 poop complaints I've filed with 311 the majority have been human sized. The one with a string/tapeworm coming out of it was ambiguously sized and spread out over like three blocks.

Yesterday I submitted one of bloody handprints smeared all over a building on Mission St. Pretty sure those weren't dog handprints. I called it graffiti since I didn't see anything more suited towards "blood smeared all over someone's building".

http://mobile311.sfgov.org/reports/11720974

This was voluminous enough that I think it was probably human:

http://mobile311.sfgov.org/reports/11019074

Out in the western neighborhoods this size was more common (and I'd assume was dog sourced):

http://mobile311.sfgov.org/reports/11541986

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by throwawayhhakdl »

LoSboccacc wrote: post #88
11235813213455 wrote: post #82

The problem is not so much their poop, it's the pets themselves. For example, in USA, 25% of the meat production is meant for pets [1], it's huge, given also that meat production is not environmental-friendly. The whole pets products industry is really large, there are maybe close to 1 billion pets worldwide. Other example, cats affect negatively ecosystems (birds, little reptiles, some important insects, ..) My prop…

this went from being environmentally sensitive to culling species wholesale real fast remember last time we culled cats what happened?

What happened?

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by eMSF »

triceratops wrote: post #89
11235813213455 wrote: post #82

The problem is not so much their poop, it's the pets themselves. For example, in USA, 25% of the meat production is meant for pets [1], it's huge, given also that meat production is not environmental-friendly. The whole pets products industry is really large, there are maybe close to 1 billion pets worldwide. Other example, cats affect negatively ecosystems (birds, little reptiles, some important insects, ..) My prop…

"The animal parts used for pet food may include damaged carcass parts, bones, and cheek meat, and organs such as intestines, kidneys, liver, lungs, udders, spleen, and stomach tissue"[1]. These are all byproducts of the meat industry for humans. Humans don't eat any of these animal parts. Pets are doing us a favor by eating all these things that would otherwise simply be thrown away, with a great deal of pollution in…

>Humans don't eat any of these animal parts

People don't eat liver where you're from?

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by jdavis703 »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #46
dmode wrote: post #40

Mods - can we update the title to “San Francisco dog poop crisis” ? Note that the category of tickets in 311 is “Human / Animal waste”. I personally went through 100 random tickets on the sf data portal and found that 95% were either dog poop or miss classified (eg abandoned car or trash collection). People automatically read the headline and correlate to human waste.

I wouldn't mind half the police force being reassigned to fine the sort of people who let their dog shit and run. My buddy had a small garden patch on the sidewalk in front of his house. It was the only patch of garden on the block, so it was basically chock full of dog feces within a day after he cleaned it from people walking their dogs. You'd get a whiff of it just walking to his house. He eventually had the tiny…

Why do we need someone with a gun to handle this? I'd much rather see a civilian from Vector Control or a similar city department enforcing this. If people fail to pay up the fines, maybe then the guys with guns can be dispatched to deal with "contempt of court" or whatever.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by triceratops »

eMSF wrote: post #117
triceratops wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The animal parts used for pet food may include damaged carcass parts, bones, and cheek meat, and organs such as intestines, kidneys, liver, lungs, udders, spleen, and stomach tissue"[1]. These are all byproducts of the meat industry for humans. Humans don't eat any of these animal parts. Pets are doing us a favor by eating all these things that would otherwise simply be thrown away, with a great deal of pollution in…

>Humans don't eat any of these animal parts People don't eat liver where you're from?

It's certainly a less desirable part. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chopped_liver#Chopped_liver_as...

I'm aware that stomachs are used in haggis, or intestines in sausage. That doesn't represent the majority of human meat consumption though.

Re: Trends in the San Francisco (mostly dog?) poop crisis

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Post by draw_down »

Animats wrote: post #12

SF needs the Portland Loo.[1][2] The homeless-resistant public toilet. Not enough privacy for a drug deal. Water faucet on the outside, not the inside. Prison-grade stainless. [1] https://www.latimes.com/world/la-xpm-2012-aug-29-la-na-08-29... [2] https://portlandloo.com/

I think there are one or two of them in Portland, drove by one yesterday. I don't understand why it gets so much mindshare.
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