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Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Please drop your inevitable BER jokes below so we can recylce them properly later.

Placing it near that airport may be the biggest risk Musk has ever taken.

It's not open yet, there's a chance it will never open.

Might even be an investment opportunity: Swoop in and buy the whole mess once the German government decides it has thrown enough money into their bottomless pit.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Wait, so if I have this correct, the airport took ~6 years to construct and 9 years and counting to correct problems with its construction? Meaning that it would have been faster to tear the entire building down and rebuild it from scratch than it is taking to remedy the issues? How does that happen‽

According to lore, it all started with the architect deciding against the tried and tested usage of little chimney-like structure on top of the terminal roofs for fire protection de-fuming, insisting instead on some novel, less visible solutions for aesthetic reasons. Those then caused all kinds of follow-up issues, eventually leading into the construction equivalent of the perpetual bugfix cycle, where every fix bri…

As far as I remember, the estimation was that the fire system was properly designed (although more complex for the mentioned artistic reasons) and would have worked - for the building that was originally planned, which the airport company then changed massively.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Wolfsburg ist 200km away from Berlin. Cologne has Ford, Hesse has Opel and continental, although the center of gravity is in the south, it's not like the industry doesn't have a certain spread throughout the country.

In America, 200 years are a long time; in Europe 200 km is a long distance.

200 km is the same distance everywhere, how "long" it actually ends up depends on the supporting infrastructure, and that's usually pretty good in Germany.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Brandenburg_Airport#Pro... It was originally intended to replace both Schönefeld and Berlin Tegel Airport and become the single commercial airport serving Berlin and the surrounding State of Brandenburg, an area with a combined 6 million inhabitants. However, it is now planned that it will not replace any, with Schönefeld Airport currently being expanded due to rising passenger nu…

I meant Tempelhof

A quite nice recovery attempt - respect (unluckily the parent threads didn't mention Tempelhof nor did the anchor article of this discussion, therefore Tempelhof seems to be out-of-context. Additionally, after considering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Tempelhof_Airport#Post-... : the post does not seem to take into consideration its current situation and therefore does not seem to be realistic).

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Good strategy from Treelon overall. You'll have Tesla producing cars and employing thousands of workers in the U.S, China & Germany so that no one would stifle the company's path towards autonomous EV's. This will produce pressure on Europe to ease for instance the AI regulations and basically removed Customs tax from many other countries because Tesla can send the cars from three different locations. I just don't un…

I don't understand your post at all. "so that no one would stifle the company's path towards autonomous EV's." Who is "stifling"? And many companies work on autonomous cars. "This will produce pressure on Europe to ease for instance the AI regulations" What AI regulations in Europe? And what is Europe? The EU? "and basically removed Customs tax" This is not how custom taxes work. The EU is one of the biggest free tra…

> Who is "stifling"

No one yet, but it means the company is less beholden to a single regulatory environment. This is generally a good thing.

> What AI regulations in Europe?

https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/the-european-strategy-of-r...

https://www.ft.com/content/4fd088a4-021b-11e9-bf0f-53b8511af...

https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/8/18300149/eu-artificial-int...

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/artificial-intelligence/europe-...

Also, most of the self-driving car regulation is state-level until the DOT pushes something through or Congress passes something, so for now, there are fifty different regulatory environments to pick from here.

> Mercosul join

If a whole other continent joins, it will be the biggest? The whole point is that Europe has geographical and (some) cultural continuity. Mercosul is South American. Why would it join the EU, especially considering that it would be out-numbered by its former colonial masters?

> Israel is a tiny place

No one said build there, people mentioned selling. Apparently, they're also sold in neighboring Jordan. I really can't understand why they wouldn't sell in Israel; it's a richer nation and a better market.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Good strategy from Treelon overall. You'll have Tesla producing cars and employing thousands of workers in the U.S, China & Germany so that no one would stifle the company's path towards autonomous EV's. This will produce pressure on Europe to ease for instance the AI regulations and basically removed Customs tax from many other countries because Tesla can send the cars from three different locations. I just don't un…

>I just don't understand why Tesla is slow in expanding to other countries

Tesla is expanding as fast as they can. After huge struggles they finally got their Fremont plant working right. Then they immediately set to work building a plant in China, and got done remarkably fast.

Now they are going to build a plant in Europe. Probably next will come India, and then maybe Latin America or the Middle East, and there I suppose Israel would be the best location.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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I meant Tempelhof

A quite nice recovery attempt - respect (unluckily the parent threads didn't mention Tempelhof nor did the anchor article of this discussion, therefore Tempelhof seems to be out-of-context. Additionally, after considering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Tempelhof_Airport#Post-... : the post does not seem to take into consideration its current situation and therefore does not seem to be realistic).

This wasn't recovery.

I was at the Tempelhof and people told me that it's privatly owned and the onwer wasn't happy with the current usage.

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