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Is that really a thing in the US though?

For a simple non-U.S. example, consider J. K. Rowling, who was forced to invent an initialized pen name by her publisher.

A tradition/need that's been seen all the way back to 1847 [1], when 'Jane Eyre', 'Wuthering Heights', and 'Agnes Grey' were all published by women writing under male pseudonyms.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bront%C3%AB_famil...

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The feminist movement managed to make femininity almost a swear word. Fascinating and very sad. As a male, I was always turned off by unisex products. I wonder how much profit these big companies make with this new marketing strategy. Is it really profitable, or are they just changing their products to avoid public shitstorms, hoping that the shitstorm avoided would have been even worse?

Your musings here are legitimate, so long as you recognize your feelings as a single datapoint and don't mistake them for a general trend, or extrapolate them to the wider population. As a counterpoint, I don't know of any friends or close acquaintances who would consider feminism or femininity a dirty word. To me, it's a fairly straightforward proposition: Q: Are you pro- women having equal rights to men w.r.t. soci…

That's a naive look at feminism. Unfortunately nowadays many other ideologies jump on the feminism bandwagon. It's rare to see someone who is feminist without being also anti-law enforcement, anti-white men, anti-capitalist.

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At the risk of turning an innocent topic into a political discussion, I wonder how much of this trend can be explained by societal privilege. Ie, parents (consciously or subconsciously) want their daughters to benefit from appearing male (at least on paper) and so give them ambiguous or masculine names. And of course, the same parents would do the exact opposite for their sons, by not selecting any name that might be…

I have a friend who did exactly this, giving his daughter a gender neutral name to help her avoid discrimination. It makes a lot of sense to me and would guess this is not uncommon. It also reminds of a study I read about a while back where the researches tried sending out resumes that were all identical except that half had very common names and half had names that are more commonly African American. Probably unsurp…

Just remember that there are similar studies going both way depending on context. For job resumes you would want a male name for a slightly higher interview count, while in any interaction with the legal system you want a female name to get better results from custody battles or when accused of a crime. In school-parent relation a female name is perceived as a better parent than a male, while at the doctor it depend on the gender of the doctor. Most psychologists are female so a female patient name gives a small benefit, with the opposite being true for specialties where the majority of doctors are male.

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How interesting because from my perspective (a woman) I feel like I'm seeing significantly fewer products that are marketed to/cater to traditional notions of femininity and instead there seems to be a trend towards inclusivity. Tom Ford, Bvlgari, Calvin Klein, and Chanel all have uni-sex fragrances now. Chanel's is called "Boy" and CK's is very inclusively named "all". And there's a _huge_ trend in high-end cosmetic…

Ironically, pink used to be the boys' color back a couple hundred years, because royal red = king, pink = prince, blue = princess. The pink = girl color switched only in more recent times. It's very stupid.

Those colour preferences might be innate though https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12512-women-may-be-ha...

Re: The Most Gender-Switched Names in the U.S.

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First, this is a great and original (AFAIK) post. Kudos to the author! Second, I actually find the most interesting fact to be completely unmentioned by the author: that in the first chart (greatest absolute changes), of the 30 biggest swaps, only two were female->male, while the other 28 (over 90%!) were male->female. It's a remarkable fact -- makes me think of how it's historically been much more acceptable for wom…

I always find amusing that in many countries Andrea (which literally means "male") is a girl's name. Is there an equivalent for boys?

Re: The Most Gender-Switched Names in the U.S.

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How interesting because from my perspective (a woman) I feel like I'm seeing significantly fewer products that are marketed to/cater to traditional notions of femininity and instead there seems to be a trend towards inclusivity. Tom Ford, Bvlgari, Calvin Klein, and Chanel all have uni-sex fragrances now. Chanel's is called "Boy" and CK's is very inclusively named "all". And there's a _huge_ trend in high-end cosmetic…

The feminist movement managed to make femininity almost a swear word. Fascinating and very sad. As a male, I was always turned off by unisex products. I wonder how much profit these big companies make with this new marketing strategy. Is it really profitable, or are they just changing their products to avoid public shitstorms, hoping that the shitstorm avoided would have been even worse?

> The feminist movement managed to make femininity almost a swear word.

Being "like a girl" being insult is not something that started with feminism.

Re: The Most Gender-Switched Names in the U.S.

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post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The feminist movement managed to make femininity almost a swear word. Fascinating and very sad. As a male, I was always turned off by unisex products. I wonder how much profit these big companies make with this new marketing strategy. Is it really profitable, or are they just changing their products to avoid public shitstorms, hoping that the shitstorm avoided would have been even worse?

Your musings here are legitimate, so long as you recognize your feelings as a single datapoint and don't mistake them for a general trend, or extrapolate them to the wider population. As a counterpoint, I don't know of any friends or close acquaintances who would consider feminism or femininity a dirty word. To me, it's a fairly straightforward proposition: Q: Are you pro- women having equal rights to men w.r.t. soci…

For your first claim, I wish people would stop talking about feminism in this way precisely because it is such a generally accepted stance. The better question is in what ways does one believe men and women aren't structurally equal?

Re: The Most Gender-Switched Names in the U.S.

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post #110

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Ironically, pink used to be the boys' color back a couple hundred years, because royal red = king, pink = prince, blue = princess. The pink = girl color switched only in more recent times. It's very stupid.

Those colour preferences might be innate though https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12512-women-may-be-ha...

I don't think it proves all that much, especially considering that the study does not even mention much higher color blindness levels among males. In the most common version of color blindness, pink tend to looks like yellow piss.

Funny:

> As expected from previous work, both sexes rated blues as best. But analysis of all the colour comparisons revealed that the women had a significantly higher preference for blues with “pinkish” undertones such as lilac

But actual color split is between woman getting pinkish pink and boys getting bluish blue. It is not "women get slightly more violet shade of blue like lilac". It is "boys are blue and girls are pink" - pink being completely different color then is supposed to be female preference according to the study.

> Hurlbert speculates there may also be evolutionary arguments for both sexes’ preference for blue. “Going back to our ‘savannah’ days, we would have a natural preference for a clear blue sky, because it signalled good weather.

Lets not pretend this is science.

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