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Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Incessant hamburgerization is something that I also find annoying. Any time I have to set up Firefox, the very first thing I do is enable the menu bar. My desktop isn't a tablet - stop trying to make it one!

It's interesting that you turn on the menu bar. To me this isn't a "tablet" feature at all--it's just a "screen real estate is precious" feature. Even when hidden it's only an Alt press away.

Vertical bars would have enough space.

Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

#112

If you want to have a good scrolling experience with quick navigation for long articles on mobile try Opera browser. Opera double tap zoom is also the only one that can relayout non-mobile friendly desktop paragraphs to mobile format.

This. Opera Android shows a small UI thingy (kind of hovering transparent scrollbar) on the right hand side (as soon as you start scrolling fast enough) which allows to super quickly scroll all the way down.

Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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> I prefer it to disappear when I don't need it. My strong preference is the exact opposite of this. I want it to be there, full size, any time that scrolling is possible. It seems that this is something that should be user configurable.

I can't help you on mobile but this is user configurable on macOS: https://imgur.com/kXDDjnF

I've only started using a mac recently and this drove me mad.

Thank you for making my life 5% better kind stranger!

Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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I was pretty blown away to see that Dropbox's hamburger menu opens to take over the entire screen, including on desktop. In other words, they only considered mobile in their design. You can try it even if you don't have an account, just go to dropbox.com and click the hamburger in the upper right.

I see this happening a lot. "Mobile first!" doesn't mean "Mobile only!"

I've had to conclude that they think (or hope) that everybody not using a phone is using a tablet.

Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Let's not dance around in a circle - Apple started this with their "minimalist design." First on desktop and later with mobile. Fact of life is everyone copies Apple. Apple doesn't copy and paste things. They'll think deeply before copying. And will modify things to fit their unique needs and situation. Unfortunately, those who copy Apple switch off their brains and pursue the "looks" ALONE, ignore the "feel" and jus…

> Fact of life is everyone copies Apple.

And I really, really wish they'd stop it.

Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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post #58

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It's interesting that you turn on the menu bar. To me this isn't a "tablet" feature at all--it's just a "screen real estate is precious" feature. Even when hidden it's only an Alt press away.

This must be a Linux/windows paradigm? I am lost looking at Firefox on my Mac. Edit: apparently on PCs the per-window menu is activated with Alt, TIL

On Macs the menu bar is intact, same place it ever was, detached from the firefox window at the top of the screen. The hamburger menu on macos is basically redundant.

Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

#118

Scroll bars and top menus! One factor was the removal from the market of anything but 16:9 displays which sucks as well. I want my workstation UI back and to return the fischer-price bullshit on every OS. Windows and gnome are the worst, every thing they do in the name of progress makes computers harder to use. I miss the simplicity of Windows 2000/XP classic, been downhill from there. Ubuntu Mate is good but is suff…

I can see the issues w/ Windows, but what's your beef with GNOME? It's the only UX I know of that actually makes a touchscreen usable for non-trivial tasks. (And many laptops feature touchscreens by now. Often with something like a fully-rotating hinge, to enable touch-only use.)

I'm personally very allergic to gnome overall. I find it painful.

Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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The same people who killed folders "because tags". Don't get me wrong, I love tags, but why on earth can't we have BOTH???? I don't always remember what I tagged something with, and searching through 8 years of work to find something is useless.

For a classic instance of tabs done almost precisely wrong, take a look at Pocket. My two year old rant on it is still completely applicable.

https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/5x2sfx/pocket_...

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Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

#120

Scroll bars and top menus! One factor was the removal from the market of anything but 16:9 displays which sucks as well. I want my workstation UI back and to return the fischer-price bullshit on every OS. Windows and gnome are the worst, every thing they do in the name of progress makes computers harder to use. I miss the simplicity of Windows 2000/XP classic, been downhill from there. Ubuntu Mate is good but is suff…

I can see the issues w/ Windows, but what's your beef with GNOME? It's the only UX I know of that actually makes a touchscreen usable for non-trivial tasks. (And many laptops feature touchscreens by now. Often with something like a fully-rotating hinge, to enable touch-only use.)

I use a keyboard and mouse at my desk. Not interested in touching the screen as it takes more effort and would need to be cleaned more often. I want easily discoverable menus, easily used scrollbars, and a dark theme. Real work has taken a backseat to play. I have an iPad/Phone for that and enjoy that at the sofa. Two use cases, not one.
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