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Re: Firefox 70

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Post by freediver »

I am not a Firefox user but know that matching Webkit performance on macOS is going to be very hard.

So just fired a test on my Macbook Air - Safari 13 vs Firefox 70.

Opened top 10 links from techmeme. Both windows in background.

Firefox 70: Energy use 30-200; CPU 20-25%; Threads 82

Safari 13: Energy use 0.1-5; CPU 2-5%; Threads 11

If this is to celebrate I can only imagine what the things looked like before this release. Save for Apple fiddling with the energy use numbers (VW style) this means that my battery is going to last 4-5x longer with Safari. Can anyone replicate this for the sake of argument?

Edit: uploaded screenshots https://imgur.com/a/4L64ShP

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by FillardMillmore »

TylerE wrote: post #104
devy wrote: post #87

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Brave looks amazing, the question I have is, just like how Google Chrome, can they be trusted as a private entity?

Well, they're shilling their own worthless cryptocurrency, so it is obvious to me that they cannot be.

It is an opt-in system. They're not making you use it and you don't lose anything by choosing not to opt-in. What exactly are they doing that you would consider "shilling"?

https://brave.com/brave-rewards/

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by dlbucci »

I had to stop using Firefox 70 Dev Edition because it made my 2015 Mac run out of memory. Switching back to regular 69 fixed the issue, but I hope they have corrected it by now...

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by mch82 »

pwlb wrote: post #60
redblacktree wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a good transition path for someone who uses a lot of Google products? In particular, I use Chrome across all my devices, and I depend on the ability to search my history/recent tabs/etc from anywhere. Will Firefox give me the same ability? Is the transition literally just: Install Firefox everywhere and start using it instead?

Firefox Sync let's you syncronize Bookmarks, Open tabs, Logins, History, Add-ons and Preferences across devices by logging in once with username password

Here’s the Sync security FAQ to answer javajosh’s follow up question, which I can’t reply to directly.

“How Firefox Sync keeps your data safe even if TLS fails” https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-firefox-sync-keeps-...

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by komali2 »

redblacktree wrote: post #56
adfkbuvasdas wrote: post #10

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Game changer! Now from my POV Firefox is the best desktop browser, period. No caveats.

Is there a good transition path for someone who uses a lot of Google products? In particular, I use Chrome across all my devices, and I depend on the ability to search my history/recent tabs/etc from anywhere. Will Firefox give me the same ability? Is the transition literally just: Install Firefox everywhere and start using it instead?

The only feature you may miss is auto-fill of credit card info. It's saved my ass abroad before.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by burtonator »

Firefox + Mozilla are awesome. I still have a Mozilla 1.0 t-shirt from the first release party!

I've recently seen a ton of FF fans state that the reason they love Firefox is that it doesn't have ads or track you and preserves your privacy.

However, Firefox wouldn't exist without Google and (to a lesser extent, Google Chrome).

They make 94% of their revenue via bundling and distribution deals with companies like Google.

So to say that Firefox doesn't really have ads I think it is a bit disingenuous. They don't have ads directly but they benefit directly from the ecosystem.

Without Google's ad business Firefox wouldn't exist.

Not saying this to be rude or call you guys out. I think we need an honest discussion on this issue.

Across the industry, we see users just outright refusing to pay for products because they're accustomed to 'free' being the norm.

News, social media, browsers, etc.

If you charge for a news site the users will revolt and go somewhere else.

If Facebook tried to charge users they would revolt.

Same thing for browsers.

Yet a large percentage of these same users will get angry and yell that they're privacy is being sold.

I'd rather things be direct. I'd rather we live in a world where customers paid directly for the product and I was the customer (not the product).

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by stevenhubertron »

ahbyb wrote: post #16
m4lvin wrote: post #8

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It seems there are add-ons for this :-) https://github.com/kimsey0/FirefoxAutoDict

This is the kind of thing that should be built-in instead of Monitor, Pocket, etc. :(

as an english only speaker I have no need for a feature like this to be built in. I get much more out of monitor. So perhaps neither should be built in by default?

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by jacurtis »

freediver wrote: post #111

I am not a Firefox user but know that matching Webkit performance on macOS is going to be very hard. So just fired a test on my Macbook Air - Safari 13 vs Firefox 70. Opened top 10 links from techmeme. Both windows in background. Firefox 70: Energy use 30-200; CPU 20-25%; Threads 82 Safari 13: Energy use 0.1-5; CPU 2-5%; Threads 11 If this is to celebrate I can only imagine what the things looked like before this rel…

> this means that my battery is going to last 4-5x longer with Safari

Well it might last 4-5x longer if you run safari in the background, since that is what you tested. But wouldn't the real test be running both browsers as the active window and comparing those results?

One thing that Safari is incredibly good at (and its' engineers are proud of) is the ability to reduce resource consumption for non-active tabs and windows to nearly zero. This is really good when running on battery because it is a shame to dedicate resources to things that aren't even visible on screen. But this could make the results far more dramatic through your test.

I would hypothesize that Safari still wins your performance test (if you were to re-test using them both as "active" windows), but probably not as dramatically as in the inactive window test.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by Vinnl »

javajosh wrote: post #103
pwlb wrote: post #60

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Firefox Sync let's you syncronize Bookmarks, Open tabs, Logins, History, Add-ons and Preferences across devices by logging in once with username password

Couple of questions about this: does FF import Chrome logins? Also, can Mozilla read the data or are they doing client-side-encryption?

I'm not sure about the former, but the answer to your second question is yes, they do client-side encryption: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-firefox-sync-keeps-...
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