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Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Post by aaron695 »

profmonocle wrote: post #36

> desktop Linux and many Android devices only support level 1. In this case e.g. Netflix will not offer full HD or 4k resolutions And yet 4K webrips of recent Netflix shows are readily available on torrent sites. I don't understand who these higher levels of DRM are trying to target. They obviously don't stop the serious pirates from ripping and sharing the content with everyone. Yet the lower levels are "good enough…

> And yet 4K webrips of recent Netflix shows are readily available on torrent sites.

WEBRIP (capture) are worse quality than WEB/WEB-DL (hacked DRM)

So actually you prove their point, they are winning.

The scene can do some WEB, they keep it secret, they even have servers for crew member to use without telling them how.

WEB is probably using old TV software with weaker DRM, hence why 4k is rare.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Post by geofft »

jaimex2 wrote: post #85
geofft wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but why? Do the rightsholders believe that these mechanisms are effective at making them money somehow? How correct are they - are these mechanisms effective at stopping some amount of casual piracy and converting that into purchases?

It's pretty simple: They pay a hot shot company to try and stop piracy and thats the best they can come up with. Piracy can't be stopped but thats not what they want to hear. Piracy can be greatly reduced by distributing the content via Netflix but thats not what they want to hear.

It's been decades and literally everyone in multiple industries is still refusing to admit they're throwing money after a lost cause? I won't say that's impossible, but the entire idea behind capitalism is that this happens rarely. Eventually someone will realize they can make more profit by not paying for anti-piracy, right?

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Post by Spivak »

bilbo0s wrote: post #94
jaimex2 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty simple: They pay a hot shot company to try and stop piracy and thats the best they can come up with. Piracy can't be stopped but thats not what they want to hear. Piracy can be greatly reduced by distributing the content via Netflix but thats not what they want to hear.

> And yet 4K webrips of recent Netflix shows are readily available on torrent sites. and: > Piracy can be greatly reduced by distributing the content via Netflix Aren't you guys saying different things? One is saying people already pirate on netflix, and the other is saying netflix removes the need for piracy. If you're saying the same thing, I would interpret it to mean that piracy is greatly reduced on netflix, but…

Statement 1: Piracy is inevitable in all platforms and at scale every media property will be pirated by someone.

Statement 2: If your content is available on a reasonably priced and performant streaming platform or is otherwise “low friction” the number of people who will choose to consume the pirated content instead of paying drops off dramatically.

The problem for publishers is that there’s so many different knobs that finding what brings in the most revenue is pretty much a crapshoot.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Post by zokier »

prepend wrote: post #65
egypturnash wrote: post #61

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Oh come on, “Disney won’t stream their stuff to my niche OS” is not a reason to get their stuff without paying. You can wait for a DVD, you can scrounge a used device that will run their DRM, or you can decide you hate all DRM and boycott their stuff until the unlikely event they offer a copyable version. Lots of people work hard making this shit, and they have bills to pay, these things don’t just spring fully-forme…

Niche or not “Disney won’t sell me content I want to buy” seems like a tough position for Disney to argue past. This was the argument back in the days when movies wouldn’t be released in many countries as the market is too small. What do you expect potential customers to do? Should they buy new computers? Not watch Disney stuff? I think I would expect the latter, but if they aren’t Disney’s customer then them piratin…

> Niche or not “Disney won’t sell me content I want to buy” seems like a tough position for Disney to argue past.

I feel that is such an entitled attitude. Watching Disney+ is hardly some inalienable human right nor essential for survival. Why would anyone think their right to use a service, and cosume content, overrides Disneys well-established ownership?

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Post by manicdee »

pcr910303 wrote: post #86
manicdee wrote: post #79

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When DRM exists: “Hey I watched this movie that hasn’t been released from Disney last night, have a copy and you can enjoy it too!” The only thing preventing this stream working on Linux is someone paying Disney the licence fees. It’s nothing to do with control of end product quality. Disney does not provide support for customer technical problems.

> When DRM exists: “Hey I watched this movie that hasn’t been released from Disney last night, have a copy and you can enjoy it too!” Only if the value of time consumed trying to break the DRM is lower than the Disney+ subscription fee. And I think for the majority, the Disney+ subscription fee will be lower.

For a lot of people I know, there’s more cost than just the subscription fee, there’s also buying equipment to support that streaming service.

It’s like people recommending I upgrade to Windows 10 when the machine I am using is barely capable of running Windows 7. It’s not just $10 a month, it’s also $1000 for a new computer to watch it on. Or a new TV which means buying new furniture since the current cabinet can’t hold anything larger than 30” and the smallest TV I can buy is 44”.

Then there’s streaming requiring 25Mbps when my Australian NBN struggles at 12Mbps.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Post by Crespyl »

vbezhenar wrote: post #83
yaur wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In order to get the highest level protection in widevine (the numbering is confusing) the decryption code and secure media path all need to be provisioned by the OEM. In otherwords the “other people” running code in the Secure Enclave is the device manufacturer. If you don’t trust them you are already sunk.

What I don't understand: with highest level protection does HDMI sends encrypted stream which is supposed to be decrypted by chip in display (which should support DRM, of course) or decoding happens in PC and HDMI carried decoded signal? Because if latter is the case, it should be more or less trivial to just save stream from HDMI, so those protections mean nothing and trivially by-passed by available hardware.

Usually these systems require HDCP support, which theoretically allows verification of the whole chain, PC to HDMI cable to display; any "unapproved" devices in the middle would be detected and prevent display.

In practice, the HDCP master key was leaked years ago and it's pretty straight forward to get an HDCP stripper device and a capture card.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Post by zeruch »

Having had Disney as a client in a past life, I always assume they will go for the most draconian, despotic IP control imaginable...as a starting point.

They are cultural not wired any other way, and cannot be mollified. They are a horrible company.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Post by [deleted] »

vbezhenar wrote: post #83
yaur wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In order to get the highest level protection in widevine (the numbering is confusing) the decryption code and secure media path all need to be provisioned by the OEM. In otherwords the “other people” running code in the Secure Enclave is the device manufacturer. If you don’t trust them you are already sunk.

What I don't understand: with highest level protection does HDMI sends encrypted stream which is supposed to be decrypted by chip in display (which should support DRM, of course) or decoding happens in PC and HDMI carried decoded signal? Because if latter is the case, it should be more or less trivial to just save stream from HDMI, so those protections mean nothing and trivially by-passed by available hardware.

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