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Re: Google Announces Nest WiFi

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Post by Urgo »

I've been using the old Google Wifi system for several years now and its been decent.. with two big caveats

1) I hate the mobile only interface. It's nice to have one, but no desktop interface (unless I run an emulator) is really annoying when trying to manage and monitor the network.

2) You need to have a s-H-s type topology where each satellite connects directly to the main unit. Thankfully most areas of my house are hardwired so I can plug them in, but there are some areas that don't have good coverage that I'd love to chain another satellite to, but its too far for it to reach the hub over wifi (no cable is run), and it doesn't support branching off of another satellite.

For the new system it looks like their solution to #1 is to put the controls into an even worse app...

For item #2, anyone know if it will support s-s-s-s-H chaining?

On a related note.. I actually got into a support chat with them once asking about that and their support rep said it didn't work because my cable modem had nat enabled and if I turned that off it'd work great facepalm. After a lengthy discussion he thanked me for teaching him about networking.

Re: Google Announces Nest WiFi

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Post by hysan »

atomi wrote: post #97
hysan wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or if they decide that they don't recognize you anymore that you're forever locked out of your account?

Like God forbid you lose your password and their AI refuses to authenticate you. The Google borg-like organization seems to lack any semblance of humanity.

It can be worse than that. You don't even need to lose your password. You just have to not login for a long time.

For me, I made a one off account using my personal email/domain years ago. I think it might have been for a shared link or something. Google required phone numbers so I gave it one. Haven't logged in since and no longer have that phone number.

I got a shared link to an interview assignment during my recent job search, but much to my surprise, Google wouldn't let me login! Password hadn't changed (I use a password manager). However, Google's AI thinks I'm not me. I can answer everything but the phone txt during their recovery process; I even have the original activation email archived so I know the exact date I made the account. I even dusted off my old old old laptop to try using a "recognized device". No luck. All I get are warning emails from Google saying, "Don't worry! We stopped an unrecognized login attempt!"

I asked for access to be given to another email, but I guess I took too long in trying to dig up old hardware and trusting that Google's recovery process was sane. I got rejected.

Re: Google Announces Nest WiFi

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Post by wmf »

tyingq wrote: post #96
ehsankia wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, this is specifically for people who have both Home and Wifi and want to merge the two into a single device. I'm pretty sure if you're paranoid about Google, you'd also not want them to control your wifi anyways.

Curious what the default DNS is for Google WiFi devices.

Looks like it's 8.8.8.8.

Re: Google Announces Nest WiFi

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Post by martin-adams »

jumpingmice wrote: post #71
martin-adams wrote: post #41

I don't really have a lot of trust with Google to deliver a great consumer product in this area. I switched from Alexa to Google Home and just because I'm a GSuite customer, I have lost the ability to access my calendar or set reminders. It's like they just wanted to tick a few boxes to show a cool concept, then forgot to make a well rounded product out of it.

Which part do you doubt: the assistant or the wifi? I never use the assistant stuff but the wifi is great. Gsuite accounts never work right with every product google launches, often get features late or never. Many google products have _never_ become available for gsuite accounts.

Yeah, it’s the assistant aspect not working with GSuite. Such a shame. It’s been like this for years, and I doubt it will ever get supported.

Re: Google Announces Nest WiFi

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Post by martin-adams »

ehsankia wrote: post #95
jayd16 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using GSuite accounts for their consumer product is always really consistent. Consistently bad...

That's GSuite is at the core a product for enterprise/education, and also has much stricter data policies. Unfortunately, a lot of people use it to turn their domain name into a Gmail inbox. Google should really spin that into a separate product.

This is exactly it. It’s a mix of a consumer product with business product.

Here’s the funny thing though. Security isn’t the real reason why the Google Home can’t access the calendar. You’d think Google Home talking to Google servers would be more secure than Alexa being able to read my calendar with no problem.

Re: Google Announces Nest WiFi

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Post by mikeyouse »

kmlx wrote: post #105
mikeyouse wrote: post #101

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It's not the only reason I went with Ubiquiti at my place, but it was definitely a selling point that my access points all look like this now: https://imgur.com/a/gTjUufY No blinking lights, no fighter-jet aesthetic, just fast reliable boring looking panels.

way too slow for my connection.

I regularly get 400mbps wireless and 1gbps wired... how fast is your connection?

Re: Google Announces Nest WiFi

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Post by mikeyouse »

mikeyouse wrote: post #116
kmlx wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

way too slow for my connection.

I regularly get 400mbps wireless and 1gbps wired... how fast is your connection?

FYI, this is the version I have:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1369199-REG/ubiquiti_...

And there's a new faster one available now:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1426307-REG/ubiquiti_...

Re: Google Announces Nest WiFi

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Post by jdmulloy »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #38
dev_dull wrote: post #2

> You can get a two pack with one router and one point for $269 No mention of whether it supports 802.11ax. Why are WiFi devices lagging in speed advancements so much? I ended up purchasing a second hand AirPort Extreme because it’s still one of the best performing 802.11ac devices (in my anecdotal experiences of running a lot of clients)... and it’s OLD!

True. I need mesh WiFi for my home because it's very long, and I have been waiting for like two years for mesh devices with 802.11ax to come out, as I want the best possible speed and coverage and don't want to spend hundreds of euros in devices that will be obsolete in a few years. And at the moment, nothing seems to have been released, just announcements for the future... At the end I may run out of patience and ju…

It's overly expensive, but Netgear does have an AX Orbi system. https://www.netgear.com/orbi/rbk852.aspx
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