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Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy » Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 12:38 PM UTC

gsich wrote: post #14

js8 wrote: post #4

It seems like drag-and-drop is out of fashion. I think big reason is that it really cannot be done well on touch-screen devices and touchpads. I don't really complain, because I have always found d&d rather impractical (and it's also terrible for accessibility); unfortunately, there are some applications that still rely on it a lot. (As an aside, what bothers me more that the right-click menu goes out of fashion. Tha…

Ah who cares, it works with a mouse. One should not force inferior input methods to devices that have better ones.

By that logic we should eliminate the mouse and just go back to keyboards?

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by oldmanthrowit » Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 12:45 PM UTC

Why does anybody still use Chrome? Really, Google is a criminal data theft organization.

Why not just take all of your browsing data and publish it online, skip the middle man?

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by egeozcan » Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 12:58 PM UTC

hu3 wrote: post #108

jedimastert wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I know this particular bug seems to be an edge case that may happen with every browser, but when you are using Chrome, you should know that if an issue doesn't affect Google, it will likely be deprioritized a lot. Not to be that guy, but if you take a look at the bug a fix has been merged into 77

And this is why I take rants against Google and MS with a grain of salt. Top voted comment couldn't bother to read bug report. I often see inconvenient truths buried in downvotes meanwhile misinformation that apeases a vocal minority gets catapulted to the top.

I've read the report. I knew about the merge. This issue has been postponed until developers started reacting aggressively, so breaking all drag and drop in iframes was nearly okay until a new version was published. When the issue is affecting users, it gets worse: The small number of them who could navigate their way into creating a chromium bug report will be waved away.

I'm also not a comment, I'm a person. Thank you.

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by wayneftw » Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 1:02 PM UTC

egeozcan wrote: post #9

I switched to Firefox after they stopped caring about usability issues (like right clicking without releasing left mouse button deselects the text since v fifty-something on windows), the difficulties they created for ad blockers, the account integration fiasco, and so on. I know this particular bug seems to be an edge case that may happen with every browser, but when you are using Chrome, you should know that if an…

> ...after they stopped caring about usability issues...

The bug is already fixed and has been released. What other issues are you talking about?

I trust Mozilla less because they’re more desperate and desperate people are dangerous. They’re also ideologues who I don’t agree with, who often say one thing and do another. They preach privacy/control for users while simultaneously selling them out, removing control and inserting ads where there should be none.

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by dpifke » Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 1:05 PM UTC

rkangel wrote: post #104

nly wrote: post #66

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Given that Chrome ended Opera, and is effectively ending IE/Edge, people really need to take pause and appreciate and be thankful that Firefox is still around. I think the "shady shit" Mozilla has pulled lately are death rattles. I certainly don't expect it to be around in another 5-10 years. Firefox's tiny market share is all that stands between all the W3C and WHATG publications going from "standards" to "what Chro…

> I think the "shady shit" Mozilla has pulled lately are death rattles. Would you mind briefly elaborating on this? I wasn't aware that Mozilla had done anything apart from behave well.

How about enabling DNS-over-HTTPS, which routes your entire browsing history to a third party, based on selections labelled "OK, Got It" and "Disable Protection":

https://github.com/mozilla/doh-rollout/issues/125

Don't get me wrong, DoH is great if you have a shady ISP. But it should be opt-in, not opt-out, since those of us who don't have shady ISPs don't want all our DNS queries centralized in the same place, to be scooped up with just one FISA warrant. And dark patterns like this are a pox on the web and Mozilla shouldn't be perpetuating them.

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by XaspR8d » Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 1:11 PM UTC

Zarel wrote: post #79

ardenpm wrote: post #2

Spent half the morning trying to work out why drag and drop events were not working properly in code that was working fine and deployed for nearly a year. Finally tracked it down to this obscure bug in Chrome 77 which re-orders drag and drop events but only when your page is inside an iframe that is hosted on a different domain. Looking at the report it looks like this has broken a lot of peoples applications and lik…

https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=410328... I've been tracking this drag-and-drop bug from five years ago; it's still not fixed. I think most browser manufacturers mostly gave up on the HTML5 drag-and-drop API. There are lots of open bugs on lots of browsers that haven't been touched in ages.

Well that makes me feel better AND worse about the one I filed a year and a half ago. (Drag events aren't dispatched at all on option elements in a multi-select, which is such a shame because a multi-select seems like the best native form UI for users to create orderings & permutations...)

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by pedrogpimenta » Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 1:15 PM UTC

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #107

rkangel wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think the "shady shit" Mozilla has pulled lately are death rattles. Would you mind briefly elaborating on this? I wasn't aware that Mozilla had done anything apart from behave well.

Bundling Pocket, resetting default search provider back to Google on updates. Just a couple off the top of my head. I'm a long-time Firefox user, FWIW.

Yeah, bundling Pocket is not good, but if you don't use it I guess you're not being tracked? Or is there proof that it sends your info either way?

> resetting default search provider back to Google on updates Never happened to me. Was this a specific update I might have missed?

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by senorjazz » Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 1:15 PM UTC

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #107

rkangel wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think the "shady shit" Mozilla has pulled lately are death rattles. Would you mind briefly elaborating on this? I wasn't aware that Mozilla had done anything apart from behave well.

Bundling Pocket, resetting default search provider back to Google on updates. Just a couple off the top of my head. I'm a long-time Firefox user, FWIW.

> Bundling Pocket

Why is that a problem? I never got the furore over it. When it appeared, I removed the icon and just went about my business.

Annoying yes, but certainly not "shady". From what I understood / stand it was a mozilla app they included with the browser, not that different to how firefox comes with a bookmarks app.

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by senorjazz » Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 1:17 PM UTC

zbraniecki wrote: post #61

anon34568911 wrote: post #53

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Firefox could be a lot better with usability issues, too. They will agree on something being an issue and then let the ticket sit there for months and years, even if it's something that's easy to fix and should be prioritized.

"should be prioritized" is a very subjective statement. Out of every 100 tickets, there is 50 people who believe theirs is the most important one. And we have over 200k tickets total (not all are bugs, many are resolved, but the scale is massive). If you think a bug is easy to fix, pleasez consider providing a patch.

> Out of every 100 tickets, there is 50 people who believe theirs is the most important one

I would put the number more at 99 with a 1% error in that figure

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by pavlov » Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 1:26 PM UTC

mpol wrote: post #93

pawelmurias wrote: post #82

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Why would they ever do an IE6? They don't want to cripple the web as an application platform as MS did but move as much things as possible onto it.

"Doing an IE6" for Google would be quite different from what Microsoft did, who wanted the desktop to stay relevant. For Google the web is just an advertisement platform. If/When Firefix is gone, they will hold all the cards. "Doing an IE6" might mean removing support for ad-blockers. Or making Google DNS mandatory. Or have everything you do on the web be phoned to Google, to improve your advertising experience. Assu…

AMP seems to be an example of the kind of web that (some parts of) Google wants. Hosted on their servers, transformed by their tools, commoditized and sanitized for ad insertion.

Today when you navigate to google.com from Microsoft Edge, there's a barrage of popups urging you to use Chrome instead.

When Chrome is completely dominant, maybe those popups will be on non-AMP sites urging you to "get the best experience"? It's guaranteed that there will be a lot of internal pressure to use Chrome to promote the goals of other divisions at Google.