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We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production

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Re: We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production

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Post by albertsondev »

Cd00d wrote: post #5
quaquaqua1 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you ever eat at Taco Bell or McDonalds? Their beef is pretty much flavored soy at this point. Most consumers aren't going to be "knowingly" apart of this shift, I feel.

Citation? "McDonald’s hamburger patties in the U.S. are made with 100% USDA-inspected beef. They are cooked and prepared with salt, pepper and nothing else; no preservatives, no fillers." From: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mcdonalds-100-beef/

The angle is more on the lackluster taste than any concerns composition, I believe.

Re: We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production

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Post by S_A_P »

carapace wrote: post #41
thetopher wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is where I stopped reading. How can somebody claim to be on the cusp of disrupting a market when they evidently don't understand the consumer? Nutritional equivalence will not bankrupt the cattle industry.

I'm too lazy at the moment to look up a link but fast food restaurants are already adopting these faux-beef burgers and people love them.

I’ve had the impossible whopper. It was fine. I didn’t hate it. I didn’t love it. I also probably won’t buy it again because there isn’t really any reason to.

Re: We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production

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Post by Jommi »

core-questions wrote: post #3
mark_l_watson wrote: post #2

While I think it is good to create inexpensive healthy high protein foods, I also think we should have a fair free market for people who want to continue buying real meat, organic foods, non GMO foods, cheap foods produced with GMO and petrochemicals. Free choice and a free market, with strict accurate labeling laws is what I want.

For sure. I mean, claims like: > The impact of this disruption on industrial animal farming will be profound. By 2030, the number of cows in the U.S. will have fallen by 50% and the cattle farming industry will be all but bankrupt. This is ridiculous. I'm not going to stop eating beef because of the availability of cheap weird unproven lab-grown protein. I might try the latter, maybe feed it to my pets, but as long a…

You might be not factoring in how long of a time 10 years will be.

Re: We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production

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Post by gpvos »

S_A_P wrote: post #112
carapace wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm too lazy at the moment to look up a link but fast food restaurants are already adopting these faux-beef burgers and people love them.

I’ve had the impossible whopper. It was fine. I didn’t hate it. I didn’t love it. I also probably won’t buy it again because there isn’t really any reason to.

Eating less meat is enough reason for me, so if I somehow end up at a Burger King, I would quite probably buy it. (Note that I plan to continue eating meat, just less of it.)

Re: We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production

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Post by slothtrop »

varjag wrote: post #66
worik wrote: post #30

Meh. The hippies were right. Eat food your grandmother would recognise. Eat it as unprocessed as practical. Eat a lot of it raw. But I bet where people have no choice (in prison, public hospitals, schools, on food stamps...) it will become compulsory.

My grandmother didn't live to 70.

Neither did mine, but she both smoked like a chimney and ate garbage. That seems to be common.

Re: We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production

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Post by Jommi »

jmartrican wrote: post #18

The author had me till they said "This is the result of rapid advances in precision biology that have allowed us to make huge strides in precision fermentation, a process that allows us to program microorganisms to produce almost any complex organic molecule." Is there anything on the market now that uses this technique?

Something like this? https://solarfoods.fi

Re: We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production

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Post by Tarq0n »

eitland wrote: post #102
TeMPOraL wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's the function of development levels we've reached? It's only in the last 60 years that we've reached a level at which we can cause a man-made Armageddon. In the "boy crying wolf" story, the wolf eventually came. > Peak Oil , Climate Change Makes more sense if you consider this (and other related scares) as symptoms of the same phenomenon, which shows no sign of stopping. Let's talk about how we're going to…

Mostly agree. However: >In the "boy crying wolf" story, the wolf eventually came. ... and what would have helped the boy was if he hadn't been crying wolf unnecessarily. As marcus_holmes points out there always seems to be something.

Agenda-setting in politics seems to require some amount of crying wolf, paradoxically.

Re: We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production

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Post by endorphone »

scotch_drinker wrote: post #82

I guess we'll never learn from things like margarine and other lab invented foods. Beyond Meat is heavily dependent on seed oils which are terrible for us (expeller pressed canola oil is ingredient #2). Red Meat actually isn't unhealthy at the levels most people currently eat it. While it wouldn't surprise me if more people ate Beyond meat and its ilk in the future, it doesn't make it better for us and will likely ju…

There is no consensus that seed oils are "terrible for us". Though as in all things nutrition it's easy to find a fringe voice that claims a position. Canola is considered a fairly healthy oil, obviously in moderation. Some fear-monger about hexane extraction however the Beyond Meat burger expressly uses pure pressed canola with no chemical extraction.

Having said that, by far the overwhelming position on the "non meat burgers" is of environmental/reduced animal suffering positions. I've seldom (actually never, thinking about it) heard it pushed for health reasons.

Re: We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production

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Post by Jommi »

sologoub wrote: post #49

As others mentioned, this reads more like a PR piece than a research claim. More importantly, the health benefits claim has been debunked before: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/impossible-burger-or-b... > The challenge here is that these offerings aren’t actually any healthier. The Impossible Whopper, for instance, not only has comparable caloric and fat levels as its meat-based counterpart, but it has more sa…

Did you also not read the 90 page research paper on the topic that was linked on the page?

Do you have a source on how "Processed" clearly relates to adverse health effects.

Re: We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production

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Post by jstewartmobile »

mido22 wrote: post #62
mogadsheu wrote: post #11

While I don’t disagree with the sentiment of the report, I do question its credibility. They don’t cite their sources, but do make bold claims with broad statistics and buzz words. Looking into the authors, they don’t lack credentials, but it seems like they’re newsletter and report writers, not people who are putting skin in the game to back their claims. First impression: be skeptical of “the Seba Technology Disrup…

try looking at the linked report, it has about 116 references.

money! money! money!

very few of the citations are scientific in nature

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