Trolls Are Swarming Young Climate Activists Online • Hacker News Board

Re: Trolls Are Swarming Young Climate Activists Online

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Post by faissaloo » Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 4:58 PM UTC

buboard wrote: post #51

scarmig wrote: post #16

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The movement has been led by scientists for decades. They have been ignored. If it's shameful that a 16 year old is being forced to lead a movement, the shame is on society and the older generations for not doing anything about climate change despite manifest urgency.

What makes you think that this child abuse is good for the cause? I see a lot of negative reactions

Climate change is a much more important issue than what can barely if at all be termed child abuse.

Re: Trolls Are Swarming Young Climate Activists Online

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Post by faissaloo » Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 5:00 PM UTC

crazynick4 wrote: post #62

jakelazaroff wrote: post #29

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> Although, honestly, the parents shouldn't have allowed their kids to put themselves in these 'activist' positions to begin with. Why? If your child is passionate about something, why would you disallow them from pursuing it?

She can pursue it, but I wouldn't let my child skip school to do it.. Also, if it's related to politics there is a ton of misinformation and a child can easily be manipulated into landing on the wrong side of the fence.

School is grossly overrated, especially in the information age. Ensuring your generation still has a future is measurably more important.

Re: Trolls Are Swarming Young Climate Activists Online

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Post by authoritarian » Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 5:02 PM UTC

daenz wrote: post #90

authoritarian wrote: post #87

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It can go the other way as well. My parents were helicopter parents that thought they were doing their best by shielding me "from the horrors of the world" and I suffer from related anxiety orders and social problems. I would've rather been exposed to more and had the ability to form my own opinions

I'm sure we can agree there is middle ground. I don't think instilling in them that they are just "waiting to die" unless they skip school and march in the streets counts as that middle ground.

Yes I agree, going to the extreme in either direction is not healthy

Re: Trolls Are Swarming Young Climate Activists Online

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Post by thrower123 » Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 5:05 PM UTC

52-6F-62 wrote: post #86

thrower123 wrote: post #61

It would be slightly less hypocritical if some of the same people that are wringing their hands about people being mean to Greta Thunberg weren't egging on awfulness against the Covington kids. I'm not sympathetic to those who are moralizing about trolling this child they like, when they just put down the torches and pitchforks they had out for a different child they don't like.

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't equate a young person standing up for protecting our environment and actually making real changes to a young person who decided to take his trolling public and stare down an elder aboriginal man...

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Re: Trolls Are Swarming Young Climate Activists Online

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Post by crazynick4 » Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 5:09 PM UTC

faissaloo wrote: post #112

crazynick4 wrote: post #62

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She can pursue it, but I wouldn't let my child skip school to do it.. Also, if it's related to politics there is a ton of misinformation and a child can easily be manipulated into landing on the wrong side of the fence.

School is grossly overrated, especially in the information age. Ensuring your generation still has a future is measurably more important.

Yes, in the age where you need more knowledge than ever in order to have a living wage, where menial labor is being automated faster and faster, we need less education. Good point.

Re: Trolls Are Swarming Young Climate Activists Online

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Post by jfengel » Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 5:09 PM UTC

Porthos9K wrote: post #93

dyeje wrote: post #21

Has anyone tried to do an analysis on these trolls? Who are they and why are they trolling? I'm concerned that these aren't normal people and instead people interested in maintaining the status quo are coordinating these activities.

My default assumption is that trolls attacking any sort of "leftist" activist are either alt-reich channers or corporate astroturfers. I don't assume good faith on the part of trolls, but instead always suspect an ulterior motive.

Don't forget a third possibility: paid nationalist astroturfers. Not all profit is financial. There are other reasons to sow disruption.

Re: Trolls Are Swarming Young Climate Activists Online

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Post by hos234 » Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 5:16 PM UTC

dyeje wrote: post #21

Has anyone tried to do an analysis on these trolls? Who are they and why are they trolling? I'm concerned that these aren't normal people and instead people interested in maintaining the status quo are coordinating these activities.

Other kids most likely - https://www.pewinternet.org/2018/09/27/a-majority-of-teens-h...

Re: Trolls Are Swarming Young Climate Activists Online

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Post by 52-6F-62 » Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 5:22 PM UTC

thrower123 wrote: post #114

52-6F-62 wrote: post #86

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I'm sorry, but I wouldn't equate a young person standing up for protecting our environment and actually making real changes to a young person who decided to take his trolling public and stare down an elder aboriginal man...

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I'm not getting into this here. It's not the subject of the thread. I don't appreciate the derailing and false comparisons.

Re: Trolls Are Swarming Young Climate Activists Online

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 5:33 PM UTC

52-6F-62 wrote: post #118

thrower123 wrote: post #114

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I'm not getting into this here. It's not the subject of the thread. I don't appreciate the derailing and false comparisons.

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Re: Trolls Are Swarming Young Climate Activists Online

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Post by ASalazarMX » Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 5:37 PM UTC

buboard wrote: post #20

neogodless wrote: post #7

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Is the solution to suppress their voices, rather than protect them from trolls and suppress the voices of the trolls?

No just dont amplify them so incredibly much. They are children in the end, they deserve protection Trolling is a fundamental right , not being trolled is not

Trolling is not a right, it's an abuse of a right.

You have freedom to express yourself, but using that freedom to harass others for fun is strongly discouraged in society. It flies on the Internet because people can show their worst behavior with practically no discouragement.