Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

Post by decebalus1 » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 6:02 PM UTC

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Is caffeine addiction a serious public health crisis? Nictoine on its own is no more harmful than caffeine. https://news.sky.com/story/nicotine-no-worse-than-cup-of-cof...

Quitting caffeine is as easy as a few days, maybe a week of feeling like shit. Take an aspirin or two, and move on with your life. Quitting nicotine is a fucking struggle. It doesn't kill you, but it has negative impacts on your life, when you aren't using. Addicts become really shitty to be around, when they haven't had their hit for a few hours. What exactly is the public benefit to getting children addicted to a s…

Post by decebalus1 » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 6:05 PM UTC

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If it's not killing people, how is it a health crisis? Would it be a public health crisis if we had a meteoric rise in teens swimming, given that the risk of death or illness from swimming is far higher than it is from vaping?

> If it's not killing people, how is it a health crisis? I'm not sure we can safely say we know the long-term impact of vaping nicotine yet. There are also indications that the uptick in vaping has stalled the decline in cigarette smoking. https://www.concordmonitor.com/Youth-smoking-decline-stalls-...

Post by juped » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 6:07 PM UTC

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All the 'big names' companies like 'Juul' and 'Blu' are heavily invested in by 'Big Tobacco'. These are the companies you see in gas stations and convenience stores across the America. But these big companies can't compete with all the Vape Shops that are insanely popular and are everywhere. This is why there is just a big hubbub over regulation and the deaths over black market Marijuana cartridges. These massive cor…

"This is why Vaping, which should cut these lung cancer rates by over 95%, is one of the most important public health break-throughs in recent memory." Not so sure about this. If the recent lung illnesses are tied to vaping, then that really can't be true. Also, the 154,000 dying of lung cancer would undoubtedly be those who started smoking tobacco decades ago. The overall trend of smoking tobacco is downward. That a…

Post by ceejayoz » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 6:14 PM UTC

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> If you take away cigarettes and vaping, they’ll just move on to marijuana or heroin, or maybe glue. Nothing about “what’s healthy” is driving their choice here. This claim is pretty strongly refuted by all available evidence, given that (before vaping), tobacco use among teenagers had been in a consistent decline for decades , without a corresponding consistent increase in marijuana or heroin use among teenagers.

Even if tobacco use was decreasing, that doesn’t mean something else wasn’t increasing in its stead. It could have been ridlin, opioids, meth, etc...I’m not sure what the popular bad stuff between 2000-2010 was, perhaps some younger HN readers could fill us in.

Post by chimeracoder » Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 6:18 PM UTC

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> If you take away cigarettes and vaping, they’ll just move on to marijuana or heroin, or maybe glue. Nothing about “what’s healthy” is driving their choice here. This claim is pretty strongly refuted by all available evidence, given that (before vaping), tobacco use among teenagers had been in a consistent decline for decades , without a corresponding consistent increase in marijuana or heroin use among teenagers.

Even if tobacco use was decreasing, that doesn’t mean something else wasn’t increasing in its stead. It could have been ridlin, opioids, meth, etc...I’m not sure what the popular bad stuff between 2000-2010 was, perhaps some younger HN readers could fill us in.