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Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE

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Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE

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Post by nojvek »

sdinsn wrote: post #80
robertfw wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Praise, for putting people in camps with inadequate medical care and inhumane treatment? I'll pass on the praise,thanks

So isn't the solution to improve the medical care and treatment? How is removing a library for a DevOps program going to do that? Isn't it just useless virtue signaling that won't actually have any effect?

Everyone has a right for what they believe. Removing a library does as much effect as someone protesting on the street with a sign holding what they believe.

Like that 13 year kid (can’t rememer name) alone in front of parliament on school strike with a sign. Then more kids joined. Now entire cities are like Melbourne have massive protests for school strikes.

Suppose developers of Google, Microsoft and Amazon all protest against ICE and refuse to work for a project their involved, it’s a big signal.

But reality is money can buy most people’s souls.

Kudos to the guy.

Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE

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Post by slooonz »

IdontRememberIt wrote: post #88

Where is the limit? Linux is certainly used somewhere by criminal rings to sell drugs killing children. PHP is certainly used by criminal groups advertising escorts victim of human trafficking. Are open source projects now at risk? Will phpmyadmin break because an antispecist contributor discovered that McDonalds is using this tool? Will ubuntu break because an anti-vaxxer contributor has discovered that GSK is using…

Or when some right-wing pastry cooker will discover than the wedding cake he's making will be used in a same-sex marriage ?

Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE

#113

Post by dredmorbius »

IdontRememberIt wrote: post #104
dredmorbius wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is your company engaged in running or supporting the operation of concentration camps?

Seth's move impacted Chef's customers. Google Cloud may have contracts with ICE. So Seth may want to do something against Google and therefore impact us indirectly.

Would he be morally wrong to do so?

What does this say about doing business with firms of low moral standards?

Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE

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Post by lazyasciiart »

tenaciousDaniel wrote: post #9
commandlinefan wrote: post #6

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I can see where he's coming from: if he refuses to do business with ICE because he disagrees with something they're doing (whether he or they are actually wrong), he's implicitly endorsing every aspect of every customer he does choose to do business with.

Also committing to scrutinize the internal business practices of every future partner. It's easy enough to point at ICE and say that they're actions don't align with your values. But you're setting a precedent for your company - one that will be very hard to live up to down the road.

No they aren't. They haven't scrutinized ICE at all - they're operating on nationally reported information.

Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE

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Post by lazyasciiart »

nojvek wrote: post #111
sdinsn wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So isn't the solution to improve the medical care and treatment? How is removing a library for a DevOps program going to do that? Isn't it just useless virtue signaling that won't actually have any effect?

Everyone has a right for what they believe. Removing a library does as much effect as someone protesting on the street with a sign holding what they believe. Like that 13 year kid (can’t rememer name) alone in front of parliament on school strike with a sign. Then more kids joined. Now entire cities are like Melbourne have massive protests for school strikes. Suppose developers of Google, Microsoft and Amazon all pro…

Greta Thunberg

Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE

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Post by IdontRememberIt »

dredmorbius wrote: post #113
IdontRememberIt wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seth's move impacted Chef's customers. Google Cloud may have contracts with ICE. So Seth may want to do something against Google and therefore impact us indirectly.

Would he be morally wrong to do so? What does this say about doing business with firms of low moral standards?

...

Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE

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Post by dredmorbius »

IdontRememberIt wrote: post #116
dredmorbius wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would he be morally wrong to do so? What does this say about doing business with firms of low moral standards?

...

I'm more than familiar with the quote.

There is the matter of degree.

Sounds like you're trying to say "yes" without actually saying "yes", though, in truth.

Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE

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Post by alxp »

ng12 wrote: post #90
shakezula wrote: post #89

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[flagged]

The lazy mis-characterization of our border facilities as concentration camps is exactly what I'm talking about, while also being a wildly inappropriate comparison in a country with many Holocaust survivors.

"Our ancestors died because as Germany built towards genocide, companies like IBM powered & profited from their persecution

https://twitter.com/NeverAgainActn/status/116974370768966860...

Re: Chef CEO Defends Contract with ICE

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Post by gremlinsinc »

> "I want to be clear that this decision is not about contract value — it is about maintaining a consistent and fair business approach in these volatile times. I do not believe that it is appropriate, practical, or within our mission to examine specific government projects with the purpose of selecting which U.S. agencies we should or should not do business."

So if this were 1940, and he lived in germany would he gladly continue doing business w/ the country knowing they're gassing jews?

I mean it's the government they always have our best interests in mind right? We should always support the government we live in no matter what right? Seriously? Without question?

This CEO is obtuse, and probably shouldn't be running a tech company.

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