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Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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This comment has it correct; she defines abortion in a specific way (a common practice in documents / research papers / etc), and then makes a claim using this specific definition. The definition is left out of the headline, understandably and predictably, leaving a flamewar about a straw man.

This does not sound like a good-faith definition of terms. It's a no-true-scottsman instead, which is not a common practice, or at least not a reputable one.

Why bother with actual definitions when you can make up your own? This has been a common thread I've seen going around in my different groups lately. I don't know if it's the start of a new trend or a temporary resurgence of the fallacy. It's not like it's uninformed zealots either, many of the people I interact with are generally decent, logical people with serious flaws in logic. While I'm comfortable with cognitive dissonance, I'm not comfortable with blatantly twisting facts by people who should be aware that they are doing it.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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8 murders in 42 years for something as hotbutton as abortion? Wow...given how the msm constantly carries on about this stuff you'd think prolifers were flying planes into abortion clinics every other day. Every so often I see stories of people murdered because they didn't want an abortion, why not keep a running tally of that? How does that stack up against the 60 million deaths since 73 for the other side? How many…

Unborn babies are always biologically distinguishable from babies that are already born. Unborn babies haven't yet taken a breath, have not been exposed to light, and still gather nutrients from the placenta. Inflation of the lungs happens immediately after birth, among a cascade of other events that happen quickly following birth, clearly distinguishing an unborn baby from a born baby.

> Inflation of the lungs happens immediately after birth, among a cascade of other events that happen quickly following birth, clearly distinguishing an unborn baby from a born baby.

But like literally none of this happens in the case of premature enough babies who often need intubation, and yet who -- if intentionally killed -- would trigger a murder investigation

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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I'm seeing a couple of comments on here to the effect of, "what did you expect when you started asking companies to screen/moderate content?" This is not a good example of screening being impossible to do, or being too subjective to nail down. Facebook moderated the video on largely neutral terms; not asserting that abortion was right or wrong, just that the claims the video made were scientifically false. It should…

> This specific story isn't that Facebook can't fact-check, it's that ultimately Facebook is willing to define neutrality based on what Lawmakers are complaining about at the moment. No, for me it's that what constitutes "neutrality" shifts with the powers that be, and in this case it shifted quickly; because abortion is an issue that facebook doesn't care about, it was willing to go with a scientific consensus, but…

> I'm not against Facebook moderating their platform, but they should have all of the editorial responsibilities and liabilities that come with that.

I read the first part of your post as an argument that the actual definition of neutrality is prone to bias and corruption, and that politicians can't be trusted to define what is and isn't neutral.

Given that reading, I don't understand how adding legal liability would help keep Ted Cruz from subverting moderation efforts or redefining what neutrality means. Wouldn't that just give him more ammo to throw at Facebook when he claims that they need to to adhere to a constantly changing standard?

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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Is it just me or does putting FACT CHECK above an article immediately make anyone else not want to click on that article?

Same here, just makes me think who has connections to get themselves declared fact checker. Can you imagine how awesome it must be to have major media outlets coo about how whatever you the fact checker says should not be questioned?

> says should not be questioned

do you have examples of this happening?

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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8 murders in 42 years for something as hotbutton as abortion? Wow...given how the msm constantly carries on about this stuff you'd think prolifers were flying planes into abortion clinics every other day. Every so often I see stories of people murdered because they didn't want an abortion, why not keep a running tally of that? How does that stack up against the 60 million deaths since 73 for the other side? How many…

Unborn babies are always biologically distinguishable from babies that are already born. Unborn babies haven't yet taken a breath, have not been exposed to light, and still gather nutrients from the placenta. Inflation of the lungs happens immediately after birth, among a cascade of other events that happen quickly following birth, clearly distinguishing an unborn baby from a born baby.

So we can freely kill people who haven't seen light?

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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You mean 8chan? I don't know about gab but you can not say whatever you want on 4chan...

8chan was still down since Cloudfare cancelled it last I checked. “Big tech”s reach extends beyond the mega platforms onto smaller independent sites too. Few sites are totally unmoderated either, I doubt gab is totally unmoderated either. They all take down spam, illegal stuff, and harassing/abusive people afaik. If not I dont see how their communities would last very long.

Gab is a far right platform that moderates away anything left of Rush Limbaugh. They were upset that Reddit banned some really terrible and often times illegal acts from their platform. So they moved to their own platform. Their community is very open to fringe talk, hate speech as a form of free speech, and doxxing. A link for reference but far from the only instance.

https://news.yahoo.com/federal-judge-sentence-far-extremist-...

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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ASK HN: We really need a politics tab at the top of hackernews. Can we make that happen?

I'd rather not. Most political stories get flagged to death unless there's something specifically interesting about them that HNers would find interesting.

Unfortunately, we occasionally end up with something like this, where it _is_ interesting from a public/private policy perspective, but the political aspects are too strong and overcome that.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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And among "other medical conditions" would sit ectopic pregnancy, which not only you cannot deliver, you cannot even allow it to get to 12 weeks or the mother could die, so no attempt at delivery would make sense. How much medical case history would need to be in a fact-checking judgement to be accepted as fact?

https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2014/09/abortion-ectopic-pregna... Many people including ob-gyns do not consider surgery for an ectopic pregnancy an abortion.

You found an anti abortion doctor to agree with you. Moving the goalposts because of your beliefs. Stop trying to make definitions up when facts disagree with your political opinion.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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The Supreme Court's rightward shift under Trump is likely to have significant impact on the legality of abortion in the US.

Is Trump and his group declared anti-abortion? Would this gain more votes the one lost? I was thinking that our politicians would use a technique to say or do something controversial at convenient time so all media and public would be distracted from the actual thing happening. This smells like such a thing but it is probably what you said;

It just happens that conservative judges would overturn Roe vs. Wade, or other rulings, leaving states free to outlaw abortion. So there's a coalition between pro-life people and more sagebrushey sort of conservatives, who like conservative justices for their upholding of the bill of rights and having a universalist outlook.

Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained

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It's just because you can't find any content. It will be very easy to prove I am not right on this one by pointing to one video.

I believe Facebook is censoring the existence of molemen located deep within the third layer of our hollow earth. I am correct, because you cannot find a single video on Facebook which posits the existence of said molemen. Therefore, Facebook is censoring those videos.

You can find tons of videos on FB advocating gun control. But none are fact checked. Despite containing blatant untrue information.
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