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Re: The Plot to Assassinate Orwell

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David Crook, mentioned in the article as working for the anti-POUM had a fascinating life. Apparently he apologised for the mentioned spying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crook

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2000/dec/18/guardianobituar...

Hampstead Heath to Tian An Men - The autobiography of David Crook http://www.davidcrook.net/simple/main.html

Re: The Plot to Assassinate Orwell

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David Crook, mentioned in the article as working for the anti-POUM had a fascinating life. Apparently he apologised for the mentioned spying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crook https://www.theguardian.com/news/2000/dec/18/guardianobituar... Hampstead Heath to Tian An Men - The autobiography of David Crook http://www.davidcrook.net/simple/main.html

Crook's books on living in Chinese communism sound interesting, I managed to buy them both used on Abebooks. I've always wanted to read what day-to-day life was like in early Communist china. I've found a lot of older Chinese people I talk to don't like talking about it or change the subject pretty quickly, which I understand, people don't like talking about being poor.

The person I last talked to was a teacher in China who lived a decent middle class childhood in the 1960s and was forced to move to a rural area into poverty and made to work on a farm for a few years. Eating dinner communally with large groups of people. She often talks about her regret of not leaving to Taiwan like some of her family.

Re: The Plot to Assassinate Orwell

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post #102

Just curious why contrary to the usual HN policy of reusing the headline verbatim, the word "communist" was edited out?

Because it's baity. We have enough trouble keeping people from going on generic ideological tangents as it is. The policy is " Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait. " ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ).

Wow. Meta-Orwellianism.

edit - I think I'm done here, bye Dang. You do a hard job, but this is utterly ridiculous. In the ongoing attempt to edit out anything contentious, this place has completely jumped the shark.

Re: The Plot to Assassinate Orwell

#114

The Spanish Civil War happens to be one of my favorite historical events. In no small part because I once was really into anarcho-syndicalist beliefs. Not so much anymore, but I still enjoy it from a historical perspective. I highly recommend the Spanish Civil War tour in Barcelona by Nick Lloyd ( https://twitter.com/Civil_War_Spain ). Unfortunately, the war is still a touchy subject in Spain, so his tour is the best…

> Unfortunately, the war is still a touchy subject in Spain

I find this quite concerning and rather paternalistic, especially when far-right/fascists keep winning elections and the PP still exists.

I'm not ignorant of the attrocities but Spain needs to be able to discuss current issues linked to or reminiscent of that era despite it upsetting a lot people.

It's suppressing free speech, and Spain has a disgraceful recent history of anti free-spech legislastion passed by the PP in the years following their win in 2011. Spain passed a gag law in 2013, the same year Vox was created. Perhaps it seems you have to create a far-right party to enjoy free speech. /s

Re: The Plot to Assassinate Orwell

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even though it is true, it is dwarfed in magnitude by the repression in the communist world. The French revolution was attempting to terrorise a political ellite. Communism was aiming at terrorising everyone.

> Even though it is true, it is dwarfed in magnitude by the repression in the communist world. From 1789 to the first Empire was only 15 years; to the Thermidorean Reaction even shorter. > The French revolution was attempting to terrorise a political ellite. That's a very generous interpretation. It's certainly what Robespierre would say, sure, but it's just as much what Lenin would say.

We are talking about 4 orders of magnitude differences, of a third of the population in some country. It’s not a matter of a few years.

I am not trying to defend the French revolution, which actions were the antithesis of the values it pretended to promote. But for all its horrors, the french revolution wasn’t in the business of mass slaughtering its own population.

Re: The Plot to Assassinate Orwell

#117
The article is still click-bait. There was no plan to assassinate Orwell. There was a plan to arrest him and make him sign some confessions and/or maybe die in prison, but he was simply not important at that time. Just some foreigner, who fought for a marxist militia, not under Stalins control - and that was enough.

But by doing so, they created a powerful enemy. I believe animal farm and 1984 are due to their popularity a very big reason, bolschewism went down in the end.

Re: The Plot to Assassinate Orwell

#118

The Spanish Civil War happens to be one of my favorite historical events. In no small part because I once was really into anarcho-syndicalist beliefs. Not so much anymore, but I still enjoy it from a historical perspective. I highly recommend the Spanish Civil War tour in Barcelona by Nick Lloyd ( https://twitter.com/Civil_War_Spain ). Unfortunately, the war is still a touchy subject in Spain, so his tour is the best…

> Unfortunately, the war is still a touchy subject in Spain I find this quite concerning and rather paternalistic, especially when far-right/fascists keep winning elections and the PP still exists. I'm not ignorant of the attrocities but Spain needs to be able to discuss current issues linked to or reminiscent of that era despite it upsetting a lot people. It's suppressing free speech, and Spain has a disgraceful rec…

Such an overstatement is not honest and doesn't help to analyze the current political situation in Spain, nor helps to understand why the Civil War is a touchy subject.

Vox is a far-right party but it isn't a fascist one because they play under the Spanish Constitution rules.

Describing PP in that same political spectrum is a bad joke, the same kind you make when saying 'Spain has a disgraceful recent history of anti free-spech legislastion' (sic). Can you please give us any example? Any sentence? Any ource? Can you honestly say that you can't speak freely in Spain?

In the caricature you've drawn, it looks like the 'fascists' have all the power, keeping everyone with their mouths shut, but you need to take the whole picture, from far-right to far-left, and don't forget the disproportionate power of the regional nationalist parties.

The main point you forget is the interest of many parties to re-write History, being the Spanish Civil War one of their favorite subjects because, at the end, most of them were supporting a dictatorship, not a democracy. Or a Franco dictatorship, or a Stalin dictatorship, but none of them fighting for democracy or for the original spirit of the II Spanish Republic.

Re: The Plot to Assassinate Orwell

#119
post #102

Just curious why contrary to the usual HN policy of reusing the headline verbatim, the word "communist" was edited out?

Because it's baity. We have enough trouble keeping people from going on generic ideological tangents as it is. The policy is " Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait. " ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ).

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Re: The Plot to Assassinate Orwell

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unfortunately, the war is still a touchy subject in Spain I find this quite concerning and rather paternalistic, especially when far-right/fascists keep winning elections and the PP still exists. I'm not ignorant of the attrocities but Spain needs to be able to discuss current issues linked to or reminiscent of that era despite it upsetting a lot people. It's suppressing free speech, and Spain has a disgraceful rec…

Such an overstatement is not honest and doesn't help to analyze the current political situation in Spain, nor helps to understand why the Civil War is a touchy subject. Vox is a far-right party but it isn't a fascist one because they play under the Spanish Constitution rules. Describing PP in that same political spectrum is a bad joke, the same kind you make when saying 'Spain has a disgraceful recent history of anti…

> Can you honestly say that you can't speak freely in Spain?

I don't know. Let's ask the imprisoned Catalonian ministers?

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