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China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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I believe the problem is not so much about finding and flagging criminals, but treating the reasons criminals act like that.

These cameras do not explain how they got there. Who profits from it? Whoever likes the situation that put criminals in that place.

Then there's no need to treat poverty anymore because they'll be dying in a corner as intended, instead of stealing food.

Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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The interesting part is not the story itself, but that they chose to demo it to the BBC. Marketing at its best, they want everyone to be fully aware of their capabilities. Wouldn't be surprised if they were overstated, so as to keep citizens in check. The BBC willingly plays along and does not even question the capabilities either way.

You have to understand that Chinese prefer security over freedom. They support this kind of measures since majority of them probably won't be bothered by it their whole lives, as their typical response: if you don't illegal things, what's to fear for. And the state media has been touting for years that China is the safest country on earth that "you can buy skewers at midnight", that America is the example of a failed…

Not sure one can easily speak about 1 billion people, speaking different languages, having different religion, living in different climates, as « prefering security over freedom ».

The chineese i’ve spoken to, that actually lived in china, first told you the official point of view, and then after the conversation kept going on, told you about things they didn’t like, then after some more time you realize all they want is leave china and come live in the west.

Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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post #35

The interesting part is not the story itself, but that they chose to demo it to the BBC. Marketing at its best, they want everyone to be fully aware of their capabilities. Wouldn't be surprised if they were overstated, so as to keep citizens in check. The BBC willingly plays along and does not even question the capabilities either way.

You have to understand that Chinese prefer security over freedom. They support this kind of measures since majority of them probably won't be bothered by it their whole lives, as their typical response: if you don't illegal things, what's to fear for. And the state media has been touting for years that China is the safest country on earth that "you can buy skewers at midnight", that America is the example of a failed…

The UK government probably wants this setup, no?

Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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post #66
post #35

The interesting part is not the story itself, but that they chose to demo it to the BBC. Marketing at its best, they want everyone to be fully aware of their capabilities. Wouldn't be surprised if they were overstated, so as to keep citizens in check. The BBC willingly plays along and does not even question the capabilities either way.

There's such a funny mismatch of culture and display of poor international PR sense too. Based on some cursory search, it looks like it's another one of those local-government-pioneered pilot/experiments [1] like the credit score (except there are dozens of cities in that pilot). The second tier city local government, trying to tout their achievements at the national level, then goes on a PR spree [2] (probably to ea…

> this is a huge negative rather than an achievement from the western perspective.

To you and I, yes, but I don't think we can take for granted that everyone or even a majority of the West thinks that way these days. Especially if you told them it was to be used for immigration control.

We've already got the mass surveillance TV show: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunted_(2015_TV_series)

Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to understand that Chinese prefer security over freedom. They support this kind of measures since majority of them probably won't be bothered by it their whole lives, as their typical response: if you don't illegal things, what's to fear for. And the state media has been touting for years that China is the safest country on earth that "you can buy skewers at midnight", that America is the example of a failed…

The UK government probably wants this setup, no?

Already under proposal for the existing "ring of steel": https://www.professionalsecurity.co.uk/news/interviews/new-r...

And selectively deployed at "public order" events: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/facial-recognition-tec...

Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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post #35

The interesting part is not the story itself, but that they chose to demo it to the BBC. Marketing at its best, they want everyone to be fully aware of their capabilities. Wouldn't be surprised if they were overstated, so as to keep citizens in check. The BBC willingly plays along and does not even question the capabilities either way.

You have to understand that Chinese prefer security over freedom. They support this kind of measures since majority of them probably won't be bothered by it their whole lives, as their typical response: if you don't illegal things, what's to fear for. And the state media has been touting for years that China is the safest country on earth that "you can buy skewers at midnight", that America is the example of a failed…

>You have to understand that Chinese prefer security over freedom.

Pretty much everyone prefers security over freedom in particular in the abscene of security, but also just in general. Take a look at countries that have freedom written on their flags and then count the CCTV cameras in London or the number of three letter agencies in the US.

The only difference is the fact that in China the role of the state in exercising this surveillance is out in the open and endorsed as a means of organising society and everywhere else it happens through the backdoor.

Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

#118
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that as soon as facial recognition starts getting used to actually put people in prison, things like the Niqāb [0] are going to become extremely popular among criminal or criminal-adjacent populations. The side effects for the nominally law-abiding population will remain, and the program won't be rolled back, but the crime reduction capabilities will go away quickly. But this might just be the pessimist in me…

Hiding your face in public can be made illegal. This is literally not an issue.

And there goes Mardi Gras/Halloween

Re: China’s CCTV network took just 7 minutes to capture BBC reporter (2017)

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technology itself is always amoral. Even splitting the atom can be used to achieve wonderful and horrific outcomes. So of course “facial recognition” per say is not the problem. But in this particular example, we see how facial recognition combined with a couple hundred million surveillance cameras funneled into a massive government data processing pipeline can be extremely effectively used for persistent tracking an…

> There’s a reason we don’t implant GPS trackers into babies at birth just because they might get lost one day. What reason are you thinking? I wouldn't support it myself, but I don't usually represent public opinion. GPS didn't really burst into the public imagination before 2007 and the iPhone; in a sense the technology is only about a decade old or so in the public sphere. Prior to 2000 the US government's officia…

> we might reach the point where we do put a GPS sensor on everybody

We're way past that point. We call'em smartphones.

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