Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

economist.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

111–120 of 218 posts

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

#111

Post by AFascistWorld »

tmeprieodj wrote: post #85
woranl wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Money laundering is the problem, not Hong Kong emigrants. Mainland China does not allow dual citizenship, this is why many Chinese living in Canada do not apply for Canadian citizenship, but instead stay as permanent resident or visa student to launder money. https://business.financialpost.com/real-estate/billions-in-d... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/pro-china-de...

Can confirm this from my friends in Vancouver and growing up there. Most Hong Kong people assimilate quite well, it’s new wave from mainland China that doesn’t. You can feel it in the atmosphere. Driving Ferrari’s everywhere and showing off. It’s not a good look for anyone.

The tax from luxury cars they bought is the best thing they could do for Canada.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

#112

Post by groundlogic »

FabHK wrote: post #105
wendyshu wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Some say this version of events is an untrue rumor.)

Yeah, I'd love to see some independent verification of this story. It's lovely, ben trovato, but I have seen it only sourced to some dodgy WhatsApp groups or Facebook posts or so. It is certainly not inconceivable, and frankly, if it's true, the fact that Hogg doesn't go around and flaunt it makes me think even more highly of him. But I just don't know whether it's true.

I'd think that he'd say something if it was false.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

#114

Post by chaostheory »

FabHK wrote: post #109
chaostheory wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't matter. imo Chinese people can still adapt. It's part of the culture. My family came to the US as illegal aliens with no money and poor education (their degrees weren't of much use). We still made it work. I know it's anecdotal, but there are a lot of anecdotes throughout Asia, Europe, the Americas, Africa, and even in the Middle East (it was surreal when I met a Chinese guy from Saudi Arabia who was looking…

Don't understand why GP is downvoted. Of course Chinese people (like many others) can adapt, but how are you going into a country and stay there legally? For most people, asylum is hardly an option (though Germany has granted asylum to several leaders of the HK protests). If you don't go via asylum, you have to go via normal immigration routes, and they are normally either investment or skills based these days - you…

> but how are you going into a country and stay there legally?

The same way startups figure out how to survive and eventually profit: by continuously adapting and continuously looking for opportunity. In our case, some of my relatives saved up enough "under the counter" money to pay a citizen to marry them until they were able to get a green card; after which they divorced. Others just married citizens. Others got enough education to get a work visa (I don't remember the details). You get the picture. It's a waste of time and energy, dwelling on what you don't have vs how to accomplish what you need to happen. I'm not saying that you should be ignorant of obstacles and challenges (you need to know what they are), but you need to focus on the openings & opportunities to get through. This is a generalization, but I feel that most if not all Asian cultures have this same spirit.

Here's a modern example.

https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/article/1774417/how-modern-da...

I didn't downvote anyone on this thread

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

#115

Post by FabHK »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #48

I don't know if this is a coincidence but Cathay Pacific is symbolic of colonial times. The founders were not Chinese, the main shareholder has always been British, the CEO until a week ago was British. It's always been a western (anglosphere) company operating in China/Asia, not a Chinese company and perhaps the Chinese authorities want to make clear that it is now a Chinese company.

China didn't use to have any notable aviation industry. Jetliners were predominantly manufactured in Europe, North America, Russia, and Brazil. China has only entered manufacturing in the last decade. Many aviation companies worldwide have Western expats and pilots among their staff. So, not sure that this carries special political significance.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

#116

Post by FabHK »

chronic829 wrote: post #92
theseadroid wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Potentially because people have different understanding of what a free and fair society is.

> Potentially because people have different understanding of what a free and fair society is. Simple. Give people a choice which society they're allowed to live in. China currently does not do that.

For an elaboration of that idea, see Nozick's Anarchy, State, and Utopia. (I used to find it quite convincing, but not anymore :-)

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

#117

Post by chaostheory »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #100
chaostheory wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can do what the Chinese have done since the 19th century: move and adapt. It's what my family did. Easier said than done, but I feel it's pretty ingrained now when you can even find Chinese families in places like Africa.

Southern Chinese, especially of fujian descent, do this, which is why they’ve spread so far in SE Asia, Taiwan, Africa, NYC, etc... Cantonese are also known for emigrating. It’s still hard, and it sucks to leave home because you can’t get a good deal there any longer.

> It’s still hard, and it sucks to leave home because you can’t get a good deal there any longer.

"good" deals in the past are a fantasy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Chinese_sentiment_in_the_...

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/american-chinatowns-history_n...

It was always hard. The only thing that changes is the nature of the obstacles.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

#118

Post by FabHK »

ra7 wrote: post #3

https://outline.com/NG6tPU

Off-topic: On Safari (both iOS and macOS), outline never works for me. Has anyone observed this? (on iOS, pressing the button does nothing - the front-page with the box to enter the URL remains there. On macOS, it says "Something went wrong. We're sorry. This page failed to Outline.")

Is it because I use private browsing by default?

EDIT: Private browsing is not the culprit. Geo-restrictions maybe? Or because I use a VPN?

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

#119

Post by chaostheory »

fucking_tragedy wrote: post #110
chaostheory wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can do what the Chinese have done since the 19th century: move and adapt. It's what my family did. Easier said than done, but I feel it's pretty ingrained now when you can even find Chinese families in places like Africa.

The pathway for foreigners to come into most countries is through a visa process, which are capital investment, work or asylum based. For example, in the US an investment of $500k (will be $900k later this year) in certain businesses will land foreign individuals a green card. Otherwise, they'll need to come in through a family or work visa, latter of which can take years and has high barriers to entry, like requirin…

Then don't do it legally. My family came to the US as illegals.

Re: China’s assault on Cathay Pacific

#120

Post by supertiger »

theseadroid wrote: post #72
llIIlIlIllIIlIl wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be disinformation, but I've read that some Cathay pilots and cabin crew were reprimanded for participating in the protests. Also, I don't necessarily mean a terrorist incident. Any kerfuffle at 35,000ft would be enough grounds to turn an airplane around and land it at the nearest runway as per standard safety practices. With HK-mainland tensions at an all time high, I don't think this can be completely ruled…

I was a bit surprised the economist used the word absurdly actually. There are several incidents happened before China's aviation authority made the demand: https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/08/21/cathay-pacific-pilot-w... This pilots announcement happened before July 26.

exactly, "absurdly", what journalism
Post reply on HN