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Information operations directed at Hong Kong
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#112Good on Twitter and Facebook. On top of blocking thousands of websites (which includes Facebook, Google, Twitter) China's government employs thousands of government employees just to purge even the most mild criticism of the CCP on Weibo [1]. They also employ tens of thousands to export their propaganda overseas, using sock puppet accounts to push their worldview[2]. And their worldview is fiercely anti-democratic. T…
>The Internet cannot remain free
Uhh have you not been paying attention for the last 20 years? We went from ownign our software and devices to not owning them as the tech illiterate masses got internet and smartphones. Google apps, app stores, steam, mmo's... those are all NOT FREE internet.
They are not there for your benefit when you have to login and your software is controlled by a remote party, you are monitored and controlled.
People in the west seem blind to the fact that they are basically corporate slaves, when a cursory examination of the facts is that they are amongst the most enslaved indoctrinated people in history.
The US is a lawless empire and has been it's founding, if you don't think western governments aren't interested in clamping down on the internet further, just view this by former national security advisor of the United states, Zbigniew Brezinski:
Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here [1] is Chan's filmography. He's very active in the American industry still. Using the fact he also acts in Chinese films against him is not very reasonable. And Liu Yifei is American Chinese and literally just got her big break playing the lead in Mulan. It seems increasingly disturbing to me that people seem to want to assume that anybody who holds a different view from them must be a "troll" or some sort of se…
> Using the fact he also acts in Chinese films against him is not very reasonable Sure it is. He's economically and likely personally exposed to Beijing. China has no rule of law. Offending Xi's government carries drastically harsher consequences than doing something similar in a country with the rule of law.
No, it's not because a Chinese actor acting in some Chinese films is about as irrelevant as you could get unless you are claiming that anybody with any connection to China now cannot be trusted because they 'might' be 'compromised.' And in such case you would effectively disqualify 100% of the people with a direct interest in this, unless they happen to agree with you.
It's logic akin to:
- only pious individuals can be trusted
- it would be impious to argue against the 'fact' that everything revolves around the Earth
- since no pious person would ever make such an argument, only impious individuals would and impious individuals cannot be trusted.
- only untrustworthy individuals would claim Earth is not the center of the universe and all within it
- since no trustworthy individuals are among the heliocentric claimants, it must be the case that they're lying.
- QED: the earth is the center of the universe according to any and all who can be trusted
Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong
#114Good on Twitter and Facebook. On top of blocking thousands of websites (which includes Facebook, Google, Twitter) China's government employs thousands of government employees just to purge even the most mild criticism of the CCP on Weibo [1]. They also employ tens of thousands to export their propaganda overseas, using sock puppet accounts to push their worldview[2]. And their worldview is fiercely anti-democratic. T…
You know whats going to be an interesting dev in the next ten years:
Musk's Skynet!
How will that be regulated. What device signals and routing can be blocked from that.
Imagine a GoPro which is perm-linked up to that constellation and a cloud storage platform that it streams its blobs to. And a not youtube corrupt POS viewing platform.
Get these devices that talk to the constellation and stream continuously and cant be censored or blocked.
We will then realize true information freedom....
C'mon Musk. Don't fuck it up.
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#115Chinese people don't even have the most basic human rights. That's insane.
Re: Information operations directed at Hong Kong
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
I doubt HN is even on the CCP's radar. Not only are we a low-value target, we're much harder to subvert.
Right. This part of the work is left to the foreign-living chinese nationalistic diaspora. They get their directions from the CCP nonetheless. Again, for casual readers: Chinese people in the US who don't support squashing democracy fighters in HK (I think/hope that's the vast majority of them - maybe more hope now that I'm being downvoted) are awesome.
Devils advocate. Perhaps it's less they get directions and more they actually hold those views.
Which, we could say is because brainwashing since youth and perhaps there is some truth to that.
But I think likely the biggest thing is the same thing that motivates everyone else. Self interest. They want to see an expanded China with greater say in world events and greater share of the economic pie. Because it would benefit them. They see disruption or anything anti CCP as contrary to that goal.
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#117I was living in HK for 30 years. What I want to say is that we all need to prepare for a new form of propaganda, which is partially based on partial fact but with twisted explanation. They are getting more logical, therefore more persuasive to middle-classes. If we do not have freedom or human rights in our minds, it will be very hard to deny those propaganda.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Using the fact he also acts in Chinese films against him is not very reasonable Sure it is. He's economically and likely personally exposed to Beijing. China has no rule of law. Offending Xi's government carries drastically harsher consequences than doing something similar in a country with the rule of law.
No, it's not because a Chinese actor acting in some Chinese films is about as irrelevant as you could get unless you are claiming that anybody with any connection to China now cannot be trusted because they 'might' be 'compromised.' And in such case you would effectively disqualify 100% of the people with a direct interest in this, unless they happen to agree with you. It's logic akin to: - only pious individuals can…
> acting in some Chinese films is about as irrelevant as you could get
He has current and future income from, as well as assets in, China. That's all jeapordised by deviating from the pro-Xi line. His views are fundamentally conflicted.
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#119Was in China when the first protest happened and the news coverage was mostly saying things like that the people are clueless in Hong Kong and don’t understand the law about extradition. They had various experts all saying similar things and they would also point to random weibo posts about totally not on the payroll “people” saying they want their city back from the protesters.. I mean it’s one thing if China’S cent…
> but dressing it up as “lots of ordinary folks agree with them” is pretty disingenuous
I wouldn't say it's disingenuous... given that there's nothing legally preventing mainland-Chinese from choosing to live in HK, and then being quoted as people who want "their" city back.
Odd to think, but HK is now experiencing a real Red Scare, the likes of which the US only ever imagined in the depths of paranoid delusion. There are real (CCP) Communists, living amongst the HK citizenry, nudging HK's democracy (such as it is) toward their agenda by appearing to stand for "public sentiment"!
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#120HongKonger here. I have some friends in China posting similar anti-protest posts on WeChat social media. It's like the news they read has a completely different story than what it's being told in legitimate new sources. The problem of fake news does become very apparent, and I hope people in China can eventually gain awareness or at least start to question the validity of their news sources.
When the fake news is generated and controlled by a government entity, I think the better term is "propaganda".
If you havent already, watch the two following Documentaries:
"Century of Self"
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-century-of-the-self/
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"Human Resources"
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/human-resources/
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