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WeWork IPO Shows It's the Most Magical Unicorn

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I have a bit of knowledge of the co-working industry. I’m good friends with the founder of the first and long-dominant tech/creative co-working space in my Australian city, and I served on its advisory board in the past couple years, through what turned out to be a distressed sale of the business to its landlord, after it became insolvent and unsalvageable. There are several fundamental flaws with the concept that ma…

WeWork is like Starbucks and McDonalds business wise. Their IP is all their manuals, their suppliers and financial backers. Strong brand. Lots of adjacent markets. Amazing business!

Re: WeWork IPO Shows It's the Most Magical Unicorn

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I have a bit of knowledge of the co-working industry. I’m good friends with the founder of the first and long-dominant tech/creative co-working space in my Australian city, and I served on its advisory board in the past couple years, through what turned out to be a distressed sale of the business to its landlord, after it became insolvent and unsalvageable. There are several fundamental flaws with the concept that ma…

I've been involved in real estate and the coworking scene in Shanghai for the last 3 years and you've hit the nail on the head.

Customer retention is even worse here, as so many spaces keep opening up and offering huge discounts to move in.

At first WeWork kept their price the same at an average of 3,000RMB desk/month (600AUD per month), then local competition came in at under 2,000RMB, then WeWork did 3-6 months free rent incentives, 25% broker commissions etc, opened around 30 (?) spaces in 2 years.

Now the average price of a desk is around 2,000RMB at WeWork, local competiton is under that, and brokers still get 15%. The Tenants know how much power they have in the negotiation as it's all a big competition between coworking operators.

Who's winning in this? Landlords, Tenants and Brokers.

Re: WeWork IPO Shows It's the Most Magical Unicorn

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WeWork's business model makes more sense when you realize it's probably just a scheme for transferring VC money directly into Adam Neumann's pocket. He owns a number of the buildings that WeWork is leasing: https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2019/01/16/wework-c...

Also worth noting the trademark "We":

https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1161822659610497025?s=20

Re: WeWork IPO Shows It's the Most Magical Unicorn

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Isn't the new WeWork in the Brooklyn Navy Yard empty? They have been trying to fill it for months. But double-check me on that. 1/2 billion to build that baby.

Unless there's another one, the Dock 72 location is still "Opening Soon" https://www.wework.com/buildings/dock-72-at-the-brooklyn-nav...

Re: WeWork IPO Shows It's the Most Magical Unicorn

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I feel like something must be seriously wrong with capitalism if it can keep creating these startups and funnelling endless hundreds of milions into them so they can accumulate debt, lose money, and achieve absolutely nothing of value.

Even if that’s true, why should it bother you that money is being extracted from rich VCs and distributed to other rich people in the worst case, and working- and middle-class employees and customers in the best case?

Don't forget that the rich VCs are often not putting up their own money but often pension funds from your local municipality .

Re: WeWork IPO Shows It's the Most Magical Unicorn

#116

I have a bit of knowledge of the co-working industry. I’m good friends with the founder of the first and long-dominant tech/creative co-working space in my Australian city, and I served on its advisory board in the past couple years, through what turned out to be a distressed sale of the business to its landlord, after it became insolvent and unsalvageable. There are several fundamental flaws with the concept that ma…

Thanks for the great summary. I’ve been renting an office from them for most of the year and all of what you’ve said rings true.

Re: WeWork IPO Shows It's the Most Magical Unicorn

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I have a bit of knowledge of the co-working industry. I’m good friends with the founder of the first and long-dominant tech/creative co-working space in my Australian city, and I served on its advisory board in the past couple years, through what turned out to be a distressed sale of the business to its landlord, after it became insolvent and unsalvageable. There are several fundamental flaws with the concept that ma…

I realize I'm probably a bit of a unicorn, but I've coworked in the same co-working office for over 8 years. The businesses in the office have changed and there has been some turn over in those years but 50% of us have stayed! Those of us who have stayed the past 8 years have cycled between self employed, and employed full-time, often years at a time for one company. We live in a small town in Colorado that has never…

I've done the same thing for the last 18 months in my small New Zealand town (~10,000 residents). My company is big enough to need two closed-door offices now; we're still happy to stay here, it's got a nice vibe and sharing costs keeps things reasonably cheap.

Re: WeWork IPO Shows It's the Most Magical Unicorn

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Zoom is also up 50% since it went public in April, and Crowdstrike is up 70%. I don't really get the sense in comparing a bunch of companies with disparate financials and very different industries. The We Company is a real estate company trying to convince people it's a tech company. This list mixes B2C and B2B companies, SaaS platforms with monthly recurring revenue with companies with advertising-based business mod…

I would expect something described as a real estate company to be long, well, real estate. As I understand it We is short real estate.

I forgot about the shell company bit on their long-term leases. In any case, they are in the business of managing and reselling real estate, whatever the time horizon.

Re: WeWork IPO Shows It's the Most Magical Unicorn

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I wonder what happened to the concept of the garage startup that Silicon Valley's foundation is famous for? Too much money from profits and not enough people or ideas to invest in? Paying for an office space is an extremely inefficient use of resources, especially when plenty of cafe space - or just, you know, your living room, kitchen - or garage - are useful even for teams of 20+ because will be rare to need everyo…

Maybe it could work for founders, but as an employee I would absolutely not sign on to a company whose space is a garage. First of all, it signals precariousness and non-seriousness. Second, I can get a job at any number of companies in more comfortable settings, so why shouldn’t I? Maybe part of the difference is related to supply and demand: potential employees have other opportunities, so why should they make sacr…

> I would absolutely not sign on to a company whose space is a garage. First of all, it signals precariousness and non-seriousness

So you would have avoided Apple and Amazon then?

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Pinterest probably has an amazing tech stack. I am surprised that it doesn't get more love around here.

Personally, I hate Pinterest with a passion, mainly because of how it pollutes image searches with useless, context-less results.

I have to do -site searches for certain types of image searches. OTOH that does fix this issue pretty easily.
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