We had something like this with printers and ink cartridges and toner. I think manufactures eventually lost. One example https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news...
Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair
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Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair
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What's anti-consumer about explicitly not reporting inaccurate information to the user? Don't get me wrong, Apple does need a fist down their throat, but over this?
What sets me off is if you replace your battery with a genuine apple battery. I can certainly understand if it's a 3rd party battery missing some feature the phone needs to assess battery information. This just flies in the face of the whole right to repair movement and for no other reason than pure greed.
I view this as Apple not vouching (in the form of verifying/stating the health of a battery) unless THEY have a complete 'chain-of-custody' for the battery.
Honest question: How can Apple KNOW it's a genuine apple battery, if it's not replaced from THEIR inventory? Moving a battery from one phone to another doesn't really mean anything, as the article states you can move the TI chip from one battery to another battery. Seem to me then that the underlying battery can be something other than the GENUINE battery.
Amazon is replete with fraudulent SD cards pretending to be one make/capacity when in reality they're not the same quality/size as a real card.
Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, if they made the batteries easily replaceable without the device having to go to service they would not have this many issues. Of course their replacement batteries would need to be reasonably priced...
Anecdotes are worthless, but in the past half decade the only people I know who have successfully replaced a smartphone or pad battery have been Apple device owners. Apple has an easy, clear, successful program for replacing batteries, and most find the pricing entirely reasonable. A friend did buy a Nexus 6P battery replacement kit from Amazon, but the process was so byzantine, and no shop was willing to do it, that…
You realize user replaceable batteries with removable back covers are still a thing right?
Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair
#114Despite all the HN comments, Apple's made an absolute killing and charges FAR FAR higher margins for their products in part because they design them so normal people don't get totally f'd over. And yes, the scam of a trash after market battery to make the iphone battery life look good is well known. And guess how many parents and grandparents then go to apple to "fix" something that has nothing to do with Apple? The…
I'm having a very hard time following your logic: Apple charges lots of money on commodity parts because they don't want users getting, as you say, "f'ed over"
There is a healthy after market ecosystem primarily because apple charges so much. Not the other way around.
Furthermore, in the video on the ifixit site, the blogger replaced the battery with a genuine secondhand apple battery and it would not recognize it.
This is predatory behaviour from Apple on its consumers.
Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a very big deal to me. Apple needs a good smack to their financial jaw. This is ridiculously anti-consumer and it utterly pisses me off.
I partially disagree. The simple truth is that the market for third party non-Apple replacement parts is super sketchy. In the US and other countries where it's convenient to purchase from a reliable site like ifixit, you have legitimate options. For the rest of the world, you have AliExpress. It's not a matter of finding a local reseller, you really just don't have many good options. I opted for my own 3rd party rep…
I'd say Apple is partially to blame for the replacement parts market being shady, for three reasons:
1. You can't get genuine Apple replacement parts in such a way that the end-consumer can actually verify they are not counterfeits.
2. Apple charges an exorbitant brand premium for genuine Apple products.
3. Apple doesn't believe that unapproved persons are capable of repairing its devices correctly.
If one could order a replacement battery from Apple, at a price that approaches the actual cost of a genuine replacement battery, plus the actual cost of QA, plus the actual cost of splitting off single units from the batch and shipping them, most would never need to bother with sketchy third-party batteries. You could just buy an Apple battery, and either DIY replace it, or take it to an electronics repair-person that you trust.
So it is Apple making things bad. By refusing to recognize consumer right to repair at all, it is automatically excluding the possibility that there is a difference between a shoddy home-repair, and one that would otherwise meet Apple's repair standards, if only it had been performed by an Apple-blessed individual.
A shop that values its reputation would almost certainly offer customers the choice of OEM-original replacement parts, or brands known by them to be good, such as iFixit parts, if it could. As it is now, the only OEM-originals they can get, come from devices purchased new for the explicit purpose of dissassembly for parts, and broken, unrepairable devices that still have some good parts in them. That pushes the prices up.
Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair
#116Despite all the HN comments, Apple's made an absolute killing and charges FAR FAR higher margins for their products in part because they design them so normal people don't get totally f'd over. And yes, the scam of a trash after market battery to make the iphone battery life look good is well known. And guess how many parents and grandparents then go to apple to "fix" something that has nothing to do with Apple? The…
Well, it literally says the message is there even if you swap in a genuine Apple battery yourself.
Whatever, can't lose if you never play Apple's game.
Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't go buy a BMW anytime soon. Have to recode the battery, and it's been that way for years.
Even Chrysler is doing things like this. I had a hitch installed, super simple, all of the wires etc plug in to the appropriate places, but if you want to actually use the break lights, you need to visit the dealership to flip a boolean flag somewhere, otherwise the lights just don't work.
Isn't that like, terribly unsafe? A lawsuit waiting to happen imo, if someone doesn't check the brake lights on their trailer...
Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair
#118Despite all the HN comments, Apple's made an absolute killing and charges FAR FAR higher margins for their products in part because they design them so normal people don't get totally f'd over. And yes, the scam of a trash after market battery to make the iphone battery life look good is well known. And guess how many parents and grandparents then go to apple to "fix" something that has nothing to do with Apple? The…
I'm having a very hard time following your logic: Apple charges lots of money on commodity parts because they don't want users getting, as you say, "f'ed over" There is a healthy after market ecosystem primarily because apple charges so much. Not the other way around. Furthermore, in the video on the ifixit site, the blogger replaced the battery with a genuine secondhand apple battery and it would not recognize it. T…
I think we are seeing the predatory behavior of scammers here.
For example, you are claiming that just attaching a chip from an old apple battery to a new one should read as genuine in the phone. That is a total scam.
The detection feature is tied to a chip, not to the cell chemistry itself. If chips from old iphone batteries are all it takes to show a scam battery is genuine, given the high volume of old batteries, EVERY scam battery would show as genuine. This is a workaround already used and well known in other situations. To avoid this workaround you need to tie a specific chip in, not just any apple chip in.
Seriously - how do YOU propose apple alert the user to a bogus third party battery.
Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
I profited from this: Bought the code reader from AliExpress for $150. Then sold it locally once I was done for close to $200. My biggest gripe was getting the battery in and out of the trunk. Anywho, a half decent scan tool pays for itself.
Carly and ProTool are amazing tools too. :)
But then I’d be stuck buying software I couldn’t re-sell once I was done with it.
I’m also not the only driver and I like the idea of anyone borrowing it being able to pull codes at any time.
Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair
#120Despite all the HN comments, Apple's made an absolute killing and charges FAR FAR higher margins for their products in part because they design them so normal people don't get totally f'd over. And yes, the scam of a trash after market battery to make the iphone battery life look good is well known. And guess how many parents and grandparents then go to apple to "fix" something that has nothing to do with Apple? The…
Well, it literally says the message is there even if you swap in a genuine Apple battery yourself. Whatever, can't lose if you never play Apple's game.
How would you do this? Remember, the chips in old apple batteries can be removed and used in other batteries.