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Re: FCC closes telemarketing loophole used by scammers

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Post by rahimnathwani »

paulie_a wrote: post #109
rahimnathwani wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution proposed (fine the product manufacturer) is a response to the difficulty of identifying those behind robocalling/telemarketing. That same difficulty would arise when trying to identify those abusing the process in the way I described.

There is no difficulty in detection There is a lack of will

If there is no difficulty in detection, then there is no need to go after a proxy (the product manufacturers) instead of the perpetrators (the telemarketing companies).

Re: FCC closes telemarketing loophole used by scammers

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Post by paulie_a »

ThinkingGuy wrote: post #84
linsomniac wrote: post #19

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I started doing that once. After 2 or 3 of those time wasting calls, I got one that the person said "Thank you for playing , you will continue to receive calls" and they hung up. IOW: They have so many resources available, and it is so cheap for them to make the calls, that even after they knew I was going to waste their time, they continued the calls. This was after I had tried their options for "press 1 to be remov…

and talking to someone and saying "please remove me from your list". This could very well be an urban legend, and I know that most telemarketers are untrustworthy anyway, but I've heard somewhere that you actually have to explicitly say "put me on your do-not-call list" because the phrase "remove me from your list" allows them to interpret it a request to remove you from the do-not-call list. Like I said, probably an…

Don't bother asking to be removed. Give them bullshit info and waste their time.

Considering they are committing a felony by simply making the phone call. It's a felony to spoof phone numbers. Everyone from the top down should be facing 20 years

Re: FCC closes telemarketing loophole used by scammers

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Post by paulie_a »

parliament32 wrote: post #105
netsharc wrote: post #89

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Hah, Google already showed off their "book a hair appointment and have a human-sounding robot call the salon for you", what the callees need is a robot that either try to figure out if it's the real IRS calling (although, wait, the IRS sends letters) or an Indian scammer. If it's the latter, then run the "tie them up unnecessarily" script. Until the scammers figure this out and respond with their own bot. Then, just…

Half of this exists: in Android you hit "Screen Call" and the google bot picks up for you. It says something like "this user is screening your call, please state your name and the reason you're calling" and their response gets transcribed live onto your screen. From there you can either pick up the call or hang up + spam mark it. It's honestly pretty great, I use it all the time.

It is really great and I use it 50 percent of the time. But I fuck with them the other 50 percent. The more I waste their time the less money they make. Ive started calling my reps Everytime I get a call. I am reporting multiple crines

Re: FCC closes telemarketing loophole used by scammers

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Post by paulie_a »

gruez wrote: post #20
paulie_a wrote: post #9

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Forget fines. Everyone in the company needs to be charged with felonies under Rico Spoofing numbers could be considered a criminal organization Take down every single person

>Take down every single person Management/c-suite? Sure. Your typical telemarketer working at minimum wage? No.

Yes absolutely everyone. Everyone that is on the phone. They get 10 years. They absolutely know what they are doing is illegal. Fuck those people.

Re: FCC closes telemarketing loophole used by scammers

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Post by mgleason_3 »

avivo wrote: post #70

This is nice and perhaps actually useful for going after international organized criminals...but still doesn't prevent anything. We need actual authentication for Caller ID. Urgently. Fake voices are already being used to steal millions ( https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48908736 ). I co-authored the paper linked here, which goes into some detail about why this all matters, particularly for voice cloning... https:…

It’s about time. Now if the FCC would get off it’s chair and implement a technical solution to mandate Caller verification...

It’s incredible in a world were we’re all being forced to move to RealIDs so our every move can be tracked, that criminals can continue to scam the elderly and disabled anonymously by phone.

Re: FCC closes telemarketing loophole used by scammers

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Post by paulie_a »

cestith wrote: post #94
paulie_a wrote: post #8

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It seems that phone companies won't do anything about it. Nor the FCC There's a bunch of solutions. I received 19 spam calls spoofing cell numbers. That's a felony I suggest everyone that get an illeagl robo call to call your rep Everytime. Ask them to block India entirely. The problem would be solved very quickly. Or block all calls from Florida and Texas. The nuclear option The basic one is just waste their time. A…

This is supposed to be a forum for civil discourse. As someone who lives in Texas but has friends and family all over the country, I don't find banning all my calls from crossing state lines to be a very civil suggestion. How about all the calls that spoof Illinois numbers that call my Illinois-numbered cell phone? How is keeping me from calling my mother going to stop that? Fuck your ban.

Easily. It's the nuclear option. The state of Texas will make arrests for the illegal Industry they allow. It will force action. One day later you can call your mother

And please don't give me a lecture about civil discourse. I clearly stated my opinion

If I am banned. Fuck my ban as you clearly stated

Re: FCC closes telemarketing loophole used by scammers

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

paulie_a wrote: post #110
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #34

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That's a little excessive. The janitor was told that they were a legitimate marketing org, and it's completely unreasonable to expect them to investigate enough to find otherwise.

No I stand by that statement. You knew you were in a scammer company. Actions need to have consequences. But they currently have none

Presumably, you work for a company that sells stuff. How familiar are you with your sales department and everything they do? Are you willing to go to jail if you're wrong?

Re: FCC closes telemarketing loophole used by scammers

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Post by cestith »

paulie_a wrote: post #117
cestith wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is supposed to be a forum for civil discourse. As someone who lives in Texas but has friends and family all over the country, I don't find banning all my calls from crossing state lines to be a very civil suggestion. How about all the calls that spoof Illinois numbers that call my Illinois-numbered cell phone? How is keeping me from calling my mother going to stop that? Fuck your ban.

Easily. It's the nuclear option. The state of Texas will make arrests for the illegal Industry they allow. It will force action. One day later you can call your mother And please don't give me a lecture about civil discourse. I clearly stated my opinion If I am banned. Fuck my ban as you clearly stated

You clearly stated your opinion that people in Texas should not be allowed to call people in other states. That's what you clearly stated.

Re: FCC closes telemarketing loophole used by scammers

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Post by paulie_a »

cestith wrote: post #119
paulie_a wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easily. It's the nuclear option. The state of Texas will make arrests for the illegal Industry they allow. It will force action. One day later you can call your mother And please don't give me a lecture about civil discourse. I clearly stated my opinion If I am banned. Fuck my ban as you clearly stated

You clearly stated your opinion that people in Texas should not be allowed to call people in other states. That's what you clearly stated.

Yes I did. What point we're you attempting to make.
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