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A bit strange to be focused on an event from 126 years ago.
An event which laid the foundation for many of the economic issues facing Hawaii today. Resolving this issue would enrich the lives of many people currently living in Hawaii.
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Speaking from experience with them, they seem to think the 2nd amendment must necessarily be respected by the very government they think is allowing them the guns to threaten said government with in the first place. That's the cognitive hole I'm pointing to - if they stockpile weapons to eventually potentially overthrow the US government, they must do so knowing that it will be illegal to do so regardless - the 2nd a…
The 2A doesn’t protect the use of arms against the government, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard a 2A advocate suggest that. The point is to prevent the government from disarming the populace before such action might be required.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Speaking from experience with them, they seem to think the 2nd amendment must necessarily be respected by the very government they think is allowing them the guns to threaten said government with in the first place. That's the cognitive hole I'm pointing to - if they stockpile weapons to eventually potentially overthrow the US government, they must do so knowing that it will be illegal to do so regardless - the 2nd a…
>government they think is allowing them the guns Technically, the government #2 doesn't "allow" us rights, they are given to us by the constitution of which government #2 is ultimately bound to. The same fight happened against our right to free speech with the Sedition Act, of which our right to criticize the government ultimately survived. Citizens are still fighting to keep our right of privacy, the rights of the p…
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Bush started after 9/11.
According to James Risen, one of the reporters that the Obama DOJ went after, "the [Obama] administration has prosecuted nine cases involving whistle-blowers and leakers, compared with only three by all previous administrations combined".[1] Here's more context from Risen's article, which was written in December, 2016: > Criticism of Mr. Obama’s stance on press freedom, government transparency and secrecy is hotly di…
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don't see a way to avoid it happening Civil society outnumbers spooks by how much, and who needs who, who is paying for who? Simply withdrawing support and tax money could end it rather quickly. I can't tell you how to organize people to do that, but it could actually just happen anytime, just a fluke, everybody wakes up in the morning and thinks enough is enough. High-tech requires constant, expensive maintenanc…
> who needs who We need them. That's why we pay them. > everybody wakes up in the morning and thinks enough is enough. And then? Do they tear down the machines and all the "spooks" are tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail? How do the farm animals know the pigs are not becoming humans? ("Animal Farm" reference, in case it's not clear.) How do you know bad guys aren't building and using spook-tech? For ex…
How is that relevant? I refuted the claim that nothing can be done.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The unifying principle of conservatism is: survival of the fittest This isn't just a principle of a party but a natural law. This is displayed in liberal politics also. Life is a fight using powers as a utility, hard and soft powers. Liberals tend to bank on using the powers of certain ideologies, many as vague as conservative ideologies, in order for those ideologies to survive. Some use the soft power of love whic…
If everyday human life must echo the eons-long process of evolution, can we say the same for other natural laws? Gravity is a natural law; so people inevitably bow to their superiors? People bowing to each other is gravity shining through! But capillary action is another natural law, so it means people inevitably rise up to best their superiors... When my cat cuddles up to me on the bed, this natural 'life is a fight…
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#117> On August 8, 2014, dozens of FBI agents raided Hale’s house with guns drawn and searched his computer and flash drives. This all happened during the Obama administration, which declined to file charges. Five years later, Trump’s Justice Department revived the case. The article fails to point out that it was the Obama administration that really turned up the heat on whistleblowers: https://www.politifact.com/punditf…
Plus the expansion of power and side stepping of normal legal process by the executive branch became normalized under the George Bush administration which was well documented by one of his top White House lawyers, which he well documented in the book ‘The Terror Presidency’ and who later started the excellent Lawfare blog. https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Side-Inside-Terror-American/dp/0... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki…
Correct link: https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Presidency-Judgment-Inside-Adm...
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
We already have a warrant system in place that is more than adequate for protecting privacy and excessive dragnet fishing expeditions. I don’t see why modern surveillance is allowed to bypass these laws in the name of security or w/e goal. When it’s clear investigators have more than enough to work with, just justify it first in court to a justice or judge. Secret courts are extremely dangerous precedent too and basi…
>We already have a warrant system in place that is more than adequate for protecting privacy and excessive dragnet fishing expeditions. Do you have a citation for that claim? There are vast[1] systems in place that violate laws and norms, so much so the IETF has labeled pervasive monitoring as an "attack"[2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosure... [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7258
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
> who needs who We need them. That's why we pay them. > everybody wakes up in the morning and thinks enough is enough. And then? Do they tear down the machines and all the "spooks" are tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail? How do the farm animals know the pigs are not becoming humans? ("Animal Farm" reference, in case it's not clear.) How do you know bad guys aren't building and using spook-tech? For ex…
> And then? Do they tear down the machines and all the "spooks" are tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail? How is that relevant? I refuted the claim that nothing can be done.
You still aren't addressing my main point: How do we know, going forward, that no one is rubbing that lamp? Someone has to guard the lamp, eh?
Unless you're postulating some sort of post-historical world-wide Golden Age (which I am down to discuss!) there are still going to be people smart enough and wicked enough to use tech to spy and connive, etc.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
An event which laid the foundation for many of the economic issues facing Hawaii today. Resolving this issue would enrich the lives of many people currently living in Hawaii.
Are you suggesting we should just abandon the state? I'm sure there are a few people who feel that way in HI, but I don't think that's the prevailing desire. I suspect doing so would make things markedly worse for them.