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Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

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Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

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Post by ddingus »

diminoten wrote: post #105
ddingus wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it is not. Viability matters here. I realize you see that differently. Realize others will ALWAYS differ on this. ALWAYS. Frankly, this will absolutely be done. There probably will be wars over it too. And it still will be done. And then it will be done sans an embryo, using stems. Right now, powerful, wealthy people are paying full attention. The one thing they cannot buy will end up for sale. More time. Buckle u…

He's not saying the idea is accurate, he's simply stating the idea. No need to argue unless you don't think he's representing the viewpoint accurately.

I think it is accurate, and we all see that how we see it.

There is not a wrong, just grave differences, IMHO, unresolvable ones. At least for a considerable time.

That was the intended point.

People are going to really struggle over this area of tech.

Not so much an argument as it is, look out. Incoming!

Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

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Post by roywiggins »

La-ang wrote: post #7

[In 2017, Nakauchi and his colleagues reported the injection of mouse iPS cells into the embryo of a rat that was unable to produce a pancreas. The rat formed a pancreas made entirely of mouse cells. Nakauchi and his team transplanted that pancreas back into a mouse that had been engineered to have diabetes, The rat-produced organ was able to control blood sugar levels, effectively curing the mouse of diabetes1.] WOW…

A good day for diabetic mice!

Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

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Post by Lord_Baltimore »

dbrian wrote: post #93
rebuilder wrote: post #65

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Wouldn't we still have slavery if we did things the way you suggest?

That would very clearly negatively affect the opposing party.

Killing the opposing party through abortion would be a negative effect.

Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

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Post by zyx321 »

vorpalhex wrote: post #15
ETHisso2017 wrote: post #13

I worry about allowing Japan, a country that has refused to fully own up to the biomedical atrocities it committed with Unit 731, to lead the way on these kinds of experiments. I would feel much more comfortable if there was international ethical oversight.

1945 was a long time ago and a very different Japan... We don't still force Germany to have caps on its army.

Except you literally do. 370,000 active personnel and not a single soul more, in accordance with the 2+4 treaty of 1990.

Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

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Post by [deleted] »

viach wrote: post #100
pgt wrote: post #83

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Like iPhone manufacturing, the West will buy the finished product before it allows the experimentation under its roof.

Might be. But it is quite different from iPhone manufacturing. It actually could more dangerous than nukes. West will just buy this you say, but why it is not possible now to just buy several intercontinental ballistic missiles? There are people with enough money and desire to buy this.

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Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

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Post by jtbayly »

dbrian wrote: post #93
rebuilder wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't we still have slavery if we did things the way you suggest?

That would very clearly negatively affect the opposing party.

You first have to define the opposing party. Are you speaking of the slaves or of the other humans who oppose slavery? Because remember, part of the justification is that slaves and unborn babies are not fully human, and thus cannot be the opposing party.

Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

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Post by [deleted] »

viach wrote: post #100
pgt wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like iPhone manufacturing, the West will buy the finished product before it allows the experimentation under its roof.

Might be. But it is quite different from iPhone manufacturing. It actually could more dangerous than nukes. West will just buy this you say, but why it is not possible now to just buy several intercontinental ballistic missiles? There are people with enough money and desire to buy this.

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Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

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Post by jessaustin »

JoeSamoa wrote: post #85
munificent wrote: post #59

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Well, if you have to slaughter the pig to remove its human pancreas for transplant anyway , the ethical thing to do is extract as much value as you can by also using its delicious, delicious meat. (Which hopefully does not contain too many migrated human cells.)

This, but honestly I think to avoid any chance of something like prions we should just avoid genetically altered pigs for edible consumption altogether and stick to naturally bred pigs.

Yeah dog owners are on a real meat kick now so the meat will still have an important use. Dogs don't mind eating something that's 1% (or any other percentage, really) human.

Re: Japan approves first human-animal embryo experiments

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Post by jessaustin »

aldoushuxley001 wrote: post #58
htor wrote: post #2

grow human organs inside rats and? how does that work? i don't understand. meanwhile we are entering the sixt mass extinction event caused by a massive climate change. what good is this technology when you have failing crops, extreme weather, no electricity and mass immigration at your doorstep?

The current mass extinction event we're currently in has little to do with climate change, but a lot more to do with habitat destruction from industrial activities, pollution, deforestation, etc.

Humans love to blame problems on amorphous "others" in some other location, rather than the people right here who are acting selfishly right here.
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