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I often feel like learning things with Anki puts memories into the wrong part of the brain. It happens way too often that I can perfectly recall something from Anki (on a PC or phone), but have a lot of trouble recalling it 'in action'.

I also experience this phenomenon. In learning a language, I like to think of Anki as the primer stage in learning a word. I have to encounter and recognize that word in the wild for the memory to be fully solidified. I'll often go back to my Anki card and add a note of where I encountered it IRL, and that usually makes that card stick for good.

Using SRS for memorizing words is usually a mistake unless they truly are discrete pieces of information and map one to one to something you already know how to express. 99% of the time you're better off doing extensive reading. SRS works well for technical vocabulary, though.

From my podcast on SRS I linked in another comment:

> [00:11:27] These SRS flash card apps are very good for learning vocabulary and depending on what's included in the flashcards, they could be for grammar as well. But the problem for a language learner is that it's de-contextualized. So say if you just study vocabulary words, then they're going to be a lot of things that you'll miss like collocations. You won't know which words are normal to use with which other words. For example, in English, if someone asks, "How are you?" it would be completely normal to answer, "pretty good". It would also be fairly normal to answer, "absolutely fantastic". But it would be strange to answer that you're doing "absolutely good". There's no grammatical reason. It's just not something that English speakers tend to say.

> [00:12:17] And there are many, many, many language features that are like this. There are also questions of word boundaries. For example, in English, the word "nose" refers to a person's nose or a dog's nose, but not every kind of animal. For example, an elephant in English doesn't have a nose. It has a trunk. In Japanese, the same word, 鼻 (hana), is for a person's nose and the elephant's nose. So the question is, what exactly does "nose" mean? Well, really tedious language teacher could explain this for every single word that you study, or even put this on the back of every flash card for every word that you're reviewing. But, it's not going to be efficient. You'll spend so much time worrying about edge cases for every single word that you're learning that you're actually not going to get anywhere.

Extensive reading avoids all of these problems. It feels slower than cramming words at the beginning, but over time, it's a much faster way to build a functional vocabulary.

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I have been using spaced repetition for roughly 3 years and have seen some amazing personal growth. I was born in the US, and have now learned 2 languages (Italian B2/C1, French B1/B2, and I just started Spanish but it is so similar to italian its gonna be pretty easy to pick up ). I remember almost every book I have read in the past three years by using kindle highlights and turning them into flash- cards. I use it…

Did you make phonics decks to help you when you were getting started with the languages? I did that with Vietnamese and found it helped a lot in getting over the initial hump while I was visiting.

I used the fluent forever pronunciation trainers, there are a lot of them but he did not make them in every language.

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I have been using spaced repetition for roughly 3 years and have seen some amazing personal growth. I was born in the US, and have now learned 2 languages (Italian B2/C1, French B1/B2, and I just started Spanish but it is so similar to italian its gonna be pretty easy to pick up ). I remember almost every book I have read in the past three years by using kindle highlights and turning them into flash- cards. I use it…

Can you give an example or two of how you effectively turn your Kindle highlights into flash cards?

Here is an example from The Black Swan (cloze deletion)

{{c1::The Platonic fold}} is the explosive boundary where the Platonic mind-set enters in contact with messy reality, where the gap between what you know and what you think you know becomes dangerously wide. It is here that the Black Swan is produced.

Here is a basic card I read and decide if this is info I have forgotten or if I knew about this:

“We had observed a real-estate transaction that takes place each night when we sleep. Fitting the notion of a long-wave radio signal that carries information across large geographical distances, the slow brainwaves of deep NREM had served as a courier service, transporting memory packets from a temporary storage hold (hippocampus) to a more secure, permanent home (the cortex). In doing so, sleep had helped future-proof those memories.”

Excerpt From: Matthew Walker. “Why We Sleep.” iBooks.

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I truly believe that spaced repetition is near-magic and it is a tragedy that it's not integrated into our society and educational system at a fundamental level. It makes me shudder to think of all the years spent learning things only to forget them weeks or months later. In any case, I've recently embarked on a long-term educational plan utilizing spaced repetition. My goal is to learn dozens of languages, historica…

I've used Pimsleur at length in the past and found it the most suitable way for me to study language. The drawbacks are the limited programs, they develop at a glacial pace, if at all anymore, and each level is very expensive. But the method is wonderful. I had friends offering to help them develop their particular language into a full course 20 years ago and they said "thanks but no thanks" and there is still nothin…

In terms of price, Pimsleur is a lot more affordable these days with their subscription option at $14.95/month for a complete course.

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Did you make phonics decks to help you when you were getting started with the languages? I did that with Vietnamese and found it helped a lot in getting over the initial hump while I was visiting.

I used the fluent forever pronunciation trainers, there are a lot of them but he did not make them in every language.

I interviewed Gabriel a couple years ago back when he was first really getting into Japanese. His pronunciation trainers are great! They're the very first Anki decks I'd reach for (or create) when starting on a new language.
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