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Launch HN: Wren (YC S19) – Offset Your Carbon Footprint

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Re: Launch HN: Wren (YC S19) – Offset Your Carbon Footprint

#111

This is pretty unfair. People who put money into these projects should be able to make money from them as well. Why should climate-conscious people have to donate money to offset the carbon footprint while investors get to earn?

Treating this more as investing is very promising and maybe something we'd consider. Currently most of these solutions do not generate a profit that could be an ROI for investors on Wren or a similar platform, but some projects will have an ROI and it would be interesting if we (or someone else) could offer an easy way for anyone to invest in profitable ideas that are good for the climate.

Re: Launch HN: Wren (YC S19) – Offset Your Carbon Footprint

#112

Some notes on the calculator: - Asking only for the size of my home but nothing else seems bogus. Surely apartments in a densely populated city have different footprints than single-family homes in suburbia or the countryside? Part of my housing's footprint will be modeled by transport considerations and heating costs, but apparently not all, otherwise you wouldn't ask. - District heating ( https://en.wikipedia.org/w…

Mimi from Wren here: 1. You can change info about your transportation habits + electricity usage in the footprint breakdown below the first six questions. Those top level questions have the largest impact on the delta between your country's avg and your footprint, but you can go more in depth below to account for diff between if you live in an urban, suburb, or rural area. Does that answer your q? I'm not sure if you…

Thanks. For question 1, I guess the question has two parts: why you ask for the size of my home, i.e., how does it factor into the calculation; and why the density of the area it is in does not seem to factor directly into the calculation.

As for 3 and 4, yes, the more information I can get in the overview the better. And always with a link to the service you are actually providing for money :-)

Re: Launch HN: Wren (YC S19) – Offset Your Carbon Footprint

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Start encouraging people to to put down their digital devices and live simpler. That will make a hell of a lot larger impact than telling people to pay 20$ a month to plant trees". Makes complete sense. But there's probably no business there. Everybody wants to be connected and not miss out these days, especially young people. Most people won't even consider "putting down their digital devices", but they would hap…

>But there's probably no business there. Because God forbid we try and preserve the vast majority of life on earth instead of pursuing generating millions of dollars of profit every month. The vast majority of human beings haven't put 1 minute of thought into global warming, in fact it wouldn't surprise me if there were billions of human beings walking around today that have never even heard of global warming or clim…

I... agree with you. Everything you say is making sense. Thank you for the insights.

It's just that I couldn't help but feel that these guys are among the "good guys", and telling them to "cease operations immediately" is a bit harsh, for just being not good enough. They are probably not doing any harm.

> I think this company is just going to be away for those individuals with a little disposable income, that believe in climate change and feel guilty about driving their car and flying everywhere for vacations, to buy themselves a little 'feel good' or a little peace of mind.

On the other hand, maybe this is harm. Those individuals who buy themselves a little "feel good" may believe that they are actually doing everything they can, and that they really are offsetting their carbon footprint so what they are doing will be sufficient. This can prevent them from realizing the real nature of the threat. This I don't like very much.

> This is Silicon Valley being clueless and/or overly optimistic as usual with these sorts of markets/challenges

Haha. Agreed.

> We need to present the facts, as unbiased as possible, to the masses and get people to start questioning the topic. We need people to start going "oh, wow, we did that?" we need them to start thinking "well how can I minimize my impact myself".

So how do you think we can do this? Masses won't listen to people like you who are talking too much about numbers and then doing this in a very pedantic way (as you did in your first comment). Even if you have the facts.

Or, maybe even arming masses with unbiased facts won't be enough. Maybe it's only people like Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk who can save us. What do you think?

Re: Launch HN: Wren (YC S19) – Offset Your Carbon Footprint

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But there's probably no business there. Because God forbid we try and preserve the vast majority of life on earth instead of pursuing generating millions of dollars of profit every month. The vast majority of human beings haven't put 1 minute of thought into global warming, in fact it wouldn't surprise me if there were billions of human beings walking around today that have never even heard of global warming or clim…

I... agree with you. Everything you say is making sense. Thank you for the insights. It's just that I couldn't help but feel that these guys are among the "good guys", and telling them to "cease operations immediately" is a bit harsh, for just being not good enough. They are probably not doing any harm. > I think this company is just going to be away for those individuals with a little disposable income, that believe…

>So how do you think we can do this? Masses won't listen to people like you who are talking too much about numbers and then doing this in a very pedantic way (as you did in your first comment). Even if you have the facts.

The giving pledge has more than a trillion dollars pledged as of right now, certainly at least one of those individuals or couples has interest in climate change. With an incredibly small amount of that trillion dollars of pledges we could gather data and educate people.

- Ask a healthy sampling of random people if they know what global warming is, do they believe in it, have they seen signs of it, is it affecting their life (talk to farmers, ranchers, amusement park operators and owners of tourist destinations, wildfire firefighters, etc as well as random people).

Then find out what misconceptions there are, what fears there are, what falsehoods people believe.

- Talk to experts: climatologists, entomologists, financial market experts, marine and wildlife, biologists, agricultural sciences types. Find out what effects are being seen right now, ge the data from all the fields, get video interviews with them saying who they are - what they do - what they see happening - why it concerns them - if the changes continue what are the probable outcomes in the next 5/10/15 years. Start a campaign, edit this stuff and start putting it on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram as short clips.

You do this to build awareness. You create plenty of resources that people can use to educate themselves and you drive interest by raising awareness. The only way we are EVER going to tackle climate change, other than just struggling to adapt to the changes, is by educating people and getting them personally interested.

Go ask 50 random people you know "So, what do you think about global warming", you're probably going to be surprised when several flat out think it's made up and others are along the lines of "I don't know, it might be true, but I can't do anything about it".

We're not going to make changes by paying to protect Amazon rainforest. We're going to make changes by convincing people they really don't need to take their 4th international vacation in as many years, nor do they need their 3rd iPhone in 5 years, that their year and a half old MacBook is perfectly fine and they don't need the newest model just because it now has ultra hologrpahic flurm instead of super hologrpahic flurm because all they do is watch YouTube and write emails with the damn thing.

People can make small changes that add up to significant changes when you get widespread adoption.

People will illegally harvest lumber as long as there are trees, there are people literally stealing entire BEACHES [1][2], lumber (especially exotic hardwoods) sell for way more money than sand. But what if we can convince people to make some small changes:

- Do you like meat? Eat chicken instead of beef, it's an order of magnitude better per pound of meat as far as greenhouse gas emissions, not to mention land use

- 71F is a wonderful temperature for that AC but is 72F so bad?

- So, you want to fly a bunch of founders out to the Bay Area for in-person interviews for your tech accelerator batch? Seriously, can't you just use skype? Sure it's slightly annoying with the delay but it'll save a couple of tons of CO2 per person.

- You live alone, do you really need 4 lights on in the kitchen and your bedroom when you've been in the living room for the past 6 hours? And why is your tv and soundbar on, you've had headphones on listening to classical music while you stare at your laptop screen playing GorkaMorka 27 or trying to finish some code.

You have to educate the masses if you want to make change. Just because you, or me, or that guy over there recognize climate change at varying levels, does NOT mean that the majority of people do.

And you know what happens when you start to get the masses interested? You actually stand a chance out getting legislation passed that can begin to put pressure on companies. Lobbyists carry a lot of weight, but if you can sway enough voters to acknowledge climate change is an issue, then you stand a much better chance of putting pressure one existing politicians, or removing them during voting cycles and installing politicians that do care and start to create a legal framework to force change. Change in community planning, change in tax incentives, change in legal requirements, make it illegal for HOAs to tell homeowners they can't have PV panels 'because they hurt property values and ruin visual appeal'.

You know encouraging people to eat locally grown food, instead of eating exotic fruit like, bananas and coffee and oranges, year-round that get shipped from halfway around the world will have more impact than giving 20$ a month to 'protect the amazon'. Yes, we should protect rainforests because of the incredible biodiversity, but ehhhh a subscription service to wash the guilt from your conscience (not unlike the Medieval Indulgence system) just is not a realistic solution, at any meaningful level anyway.

[1] https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2018/07/13/628894815/epis...

[2] https://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?stor...

Re: Launch HN: Wren (YC S19) – Offset Your Carbon Footprint

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Why do I have to give you my email address before you'll let me figure out my carbon footprint, and how much this will cost?

We use the email to save your progress, but if you'd like you can just use any fake email

Consider using a cookie for that purpose. I was looking for the calculator everywhere until I realized I had to enter my email first. That's a pretty big trust hurdle – no thanks.

I suggest you let people use the calculator freely, and when I enter e.g. "4 transatlantic flights per year" then you show me what that sin translates to specifically for one of your offset projects, e.g. "1000 briquettes" (with photos, of course). Personally speaking, that would make me pay up.

Oh, and the 20% fee is really problematic. I'd like to see a pay-what-I-want slider where I can adjust the percentage. The slider minimum would be set to min(0.2*x, $10) or some other reasonable amount, and you can calibrate that function to maximize donations.

Re: Launch HN: Wren (YC S19) – Offset Your Carbon Footprint

#116
post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I... agree with you. Everything you say is making sense. Thank you for the insights. It's just that I couldn't help but feel that these guys are among the "good guys", and telling them to "cease operations immediately" is a bit harsh, for just being not good enough. They are probably not doing any harm. > I think this company is just going to be away for those individuals with a little disposable income, that believe…

>So how do you think we can do this? Masses won't listen to people like you who are talking too much about numbers and then doing this in a very pedantic way (as you did in your first comment). Even if you have the facts. The giving pledge has more than a trillion dollars pledged as of right now, certainly at least one of those individuals or couples has interest in climate change. With an incredibly small amount of…

Thank you.

Re: Launch HN: Wren (YC S19) – Offset Your Carbon Footprint

#117
Great idea. I've signed up and I think your execution is pretty slick.

I'm still noodling on a somewhat similar project with treespree.io but had some of the same concerns raised in your thread that I still need to think through.

I think one of the core value adds of these approaches is that they convert people who are inactive out of fear or uncertainty into people who are at least starting to do something and possibly discuss the issues with people they are close to.

Still not sure how to best ensure ongoing engagement for the long haul.

All the best to you guys though - really want to see your project succeed.

Re: Launch HN: Wren (YC S19) – Offset Your Carbon Footprint

#118

I'm bias because I prefer YC companies, but I just signed up and started donating to offset me and my family's carbon impact. When I ran through the calculator and saw how much damage we were doing (the "if everyone lived like you the planet would have X months" was VERY effective) that really pushed me over the edge. Now that I've donated I feel great. I just have to pay a little bit more (relative to my income/stan…

Happy to hear it. One thing to mention though: We don't think offsetting is a license to live guilt free. We still have to do more! Hopefully the carbon footprint calculator will give you some ideas for how you can cut down your footprint pretty easily—often something as simple as cutting out red meat or using public transit more often can make a big difference. Also, progress from political action will likely be nec…

I hope you are still reading replies, even though I'm a couple days late. But if the calculator has such a high impact, why hide it behind a requirement to give out our email? I'd love to give it a try, but have no desire to sign up until I've seen more. It sounds like you are hiding one of your most effective conversion tools from me.

Re: Launch HN: Wren (YC S19) – Offset Your Carbon Footprint

#120
Hi! Jet-Set Offset here (www.jetsetoffset.com). This is an interesting approach for offsetting. We’re a startup with a similar focus on air travel -- which is one of the largest contributors of carbon emissions in the US and around the world, with emissions rates that have been increasing 4% each year as more and more of us are flying. We’ve found that lack of awareness around this issue is almost as great as the difficulty of navigating the traditional carbon marketplace to “offset” your flight emissions. While flying less is the best thing each of us can do as individuals, it's not always possible or realistic.

Jet-Set Offset was founded with the belief that we can make better choices and do good when we fly. Jet-Set Offset is a platform that allows eco-conscious travelers to do something about the environmental impact of their air travel by automatically donating one-cent per mile to their choice of non-profit environmental organization - every time they fly. Rather than operate as another carbon market, we've developed a donation-based alternative. Our model allows members to give based on the exact air mileage of their flight (not an estimated subscription model), and give to nonprofits in a meaningful way without taking a 20% cut.

We share similar aims to Wren but our approach is different. Here’s how: - We provide a donation-based alternative to the traditional "purchase and sale" carbon offset market. Some of our nonprofit partners operate certified carbon offset projects, but Jet-Set Offset is not just another carbon marketplace. - Jet-Set Offset operates as a business, but every donation made through the platform is 100% tax-deductible, as it’s made directly to the organization of the flyer’s choice. The organizations pay Jet-Set Offset a 3% fee of every donation made for use of the platform, in addition to credit card processing fees -- which means that the non-profit organizations are receiving 94% of each donation made. - The work of many of our nonprofit partners moves beyond the direct mitigation of carbon emissions by also focusing on climate adaptation, resilience, energy transformation, and policy change. - We’ve made choice a huge part of our model. Flyers can choose to give where they live and support a local organization with an environmental mission that resonates with them.

As public consciousness of this issue grows, we think that air travelers will seek viable options and alternatives to the traditional 1:1 carbon offset markets -- which can be challenging to navigate and bring up separate issues of resilience, additionality, permanence, and leakage (see Andy Newman’s recent article in the NYT, “If Seeing the World Helps Ruin It…”). While certifying organizations go to great lengths to verify carbon offset projects, verification has limits.

To all the readers, check us out! We’re interested in feedback to our approach and connection to more nonprofit partners doing amazing work that we can support. Is that an organization you’d want to give to when you fly? (Currently, any US-based 501c3 organization can request to become a Jet-Set Offset partner, provided that part of their mission is working to combat climate change and that they can provide measurable results of how donations made via the platform will be used.)

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