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>strategy of control over internet and Great Firewall makes total sense from the POV of national security How do those contribute to national security? "control over internet"/gfw aka censorship isn't going to prevent any cyberattacks.
It makes it a lot easier for the Russian gov to sell "control over the internet" to the public.
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#112Wonderful. What better way to drive home the message that the Russian government’s strategy of control over internet and Great Firewall makes total sense from the POV of national security.
wonder how much more sales the russian firewall will generate to cisco et al
Currently a lot of the microelectronics is still manufactured in Asia but there has been a steady progress in acquiring capabilities to manufacture them within Russia. The costs are usually much higher due to much lower volumes, but since these mainly go to military and government infrastructure, cost is not a concern.
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#113"For the past year, energy companies in the United States and oil and gas operators across North America discovered their networks had been examined by the same Russian hackers who successfully dismantled the safety systems in 2017 at Petro Rabigh, a Saudi petrochemical plant and oil refinery." Why are these systems even connected to the internet? Decades ago, creating such connections might have been a forgivable ov…
-- Sean McGurk, The Subcommittee on National Security, Homeland Defense, and Foreign Operations May 25, 2011 hearing.
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#115Wonderful. What better way to drive home the message that the Russian government’s strategy of control over internet and Great Firewall makes total sense from the POV of national security.
The Russian new law which would be effective on Nov 1st would handle the operation of routing (you read correctly, patching ISP's BGP tables) of over-the-border links to a state-running body (in case of emergency which is basically whenever they'd want) so it's not a firewall, I'd like to call it the Red Internet Plug.
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#116This is silly. All of these systems should be have an Air Gap. Period.
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#117"For the past year, energy companies in the United States and oil and gas operators across North America discovered their networks had been examined by the same Russian hackers who successfully dismantled the safety systems in 2017 at Petro Rabigh, a Saudi petrochemical plant and oil refinery." Why are these systems even connected to the internet? Decades ago, creating such connections might have been a forgivable ov…
My old apartment's intercom system had a bit of advertising material saying it was "computerized, not internet-connected" (or something like that) - it was an electronic system, but all it had was a connection up to the front door entry system, a terminal for the doorman, and the ability to call 911 if you pressed the panic button. No fancy cloud apps to drain your battery and then get hacked. If an apartment interco…
I think it funny you think the fact it has a phone line in that it is secure.
This is how all the hacking was done in the old days.
Are you sure I can't ring your number and connect?
I would definitely bet people could ring out and charge phone bills to you.
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#118It's weird, because I thought putin and trump were friends. There might be other things I'm not understanding, or that's just staged to tell the public russia and trump are not friends...
>Two administration officials said they believed Mr. Trump had not been briefed in any detail about the steps to place “implants” — software code that can be used for surveillance or attack — inside the Russian grid.
>Pentagon and intelligence officials described broad hesitation to go into detail with Mr. Trump about operations against Russia for concern over his reaction — and the possibility that he might countermand it or discuss it with foreign officials, as he did in 2017 when he mentioned a sensitive operation in Syria to the Russian foreign minister.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
I work in the industry. On the electrical distribution side, there are a few things which may need internet connectivity. Getting map tiles for displays; having an externally contracted call center integrate with the outage management; automatic vehicle location (painting crew vehicles on the displays). Adding to the last point, something that is coming to the industry is read only access to the system from a mobile…
I can download a cache of a map on my phone from Google maps but a powerplant needs a constant internet connection for them?
Otherwise, if you want to do it fully offline, it’s kind of a pain in the ass to run something like ArcGIS on prem and license navteq data.
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#120""" Two administration officials said they believed Mr. Trump had not been briefed in any detail about the steps to place “implants” — software code that can be used for surveillance or attack — inside the Russian grid. Pentagon and intelligence officials described broad hesitation to go into detail with Mr. Trump about operations against Russia for concern over his reaction — and the possibility that he might counte…
"We hid this from the president because we were afraid he might issue a perfectly legal and constitutional order to stop doing it." Yes, way to bury the lede.