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#112I wonder how similar bribery culture is to tip culture. In the US where we tip restaurant workers, restaurant wages are often much lower than comparable positions in industries that don't have tipping, so much so that the difference is often explicitly included in minimum wage laws. Do countries with more bribery experience a similar effect, where the wages of police officers and other bribery-prone worker are much l…
Tip workers always make full minimum wage if their tips aren't sufficient. It is really just a matter of setting a fair untipped minimum.
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#113I wonder how similar bribery culture is to tip culture. In the US where we tip restaurant workers, restaurant wages are often much lower than comparable positions in industries that don't have tipping, so much so that the difference is often explicitly included in minimum wage laws. Do countries with more bribery experience a similar effect, where the wages of police officers and other bribery-prone worker are much l…
Tip workers always make full minimum wage if their tips aren't sufficient. It is really just a matter of setting a fair untipped minimum.
This is legally true, but when I waited tables if I ever claimed that my tips didn't get my salary up to minimum wage, I knew I'd be fired. This condition was just shy of explicit. It was the same if someone ran out on their meal. Fortunately most of the time all of my customers paid their meal and tips pushed me over minimum wage, but I remember one slow night that had a diner and dash. I think I paid to work that night.
Life at the lower rungs of the economic ladder is a total blast.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Indian citizens pay approximately £3 billion (about $4.9 billion) in bribes each year." So with a million government/bribe-able officials in the country, that's $4900 a person, easily a doubling of salary.
There are FAR more than a million bribeable government workers in India. According to the ILO there were 55 million public sector employees in 2014. [1] It isn't clear what percentage of them work in jobs that involve interaction with the public / businesses (and are therefore bribeable), but I would guess 50%, not 2%. There are quite a few other factors to this calculation, though. Quite often, bribe receivers pay a…
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Indian citizens pay approximately £3 billion (about $4.9 billion) in bribes each year." So with a million government/bribe-able officials in the country, that's $4900 a person, easily a doubling of salary.
There are FAR more than a million bribeable government workers in India. According to the ILO there were 55 million public sector employees in 2014. [1] It isn't clear what percentage of them work in jobs that involve interaction with the public / businesses (and are therefore bribeable), but I would guess 50%, not 2%. There are quite a few other factors to this calculation, though. Quite often, bribe receivers pay a…
Tangential anecdata:- I know H1B workers who paid a "monthly % of their salary" to their Indian managers for bringing/sending them to the US on an H1B visa.
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#116Trier made €0 notes with Karl Marx images on them to celebrate his 200th birthday...
Which they sold for €3 each.
https://www.thelocal.de/20180418/karl-marxs-birth-city-sells...
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#117That reminds me of when my university kept sending me a $0 bill every month after I graduated. They kept sending them, so eventually I wrote a $0 check and sent it back in the business-reply envelope. I guess they were happy I had paid my bill because they finally stopped sending them.
Did they ever deposit the check?
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is too good to be true, police would have smashed him just out of ego
Only if you want to see the worst in people. The bribe accepting police is also, in many cases, not doing this out of malice. Police financing in India is pretty fucked up, and I find it surprising how we have a functioning society with such underfinanced and overworked police, even in the well to do urban areas. Anyways if you are the police in that situation, it makes much more sense to let the "activist" sort of g…
>>Police financing in India is pretty fucked up, and I find it surprising how we have a functioning society with such underfinanced and overworked police, even in the well to do urban areas.
Sorry sir, but this is plain wrong. Only two months back I was stopped by the police for 'fast driving', this is around a corner while I was turning at may be 10 kmph, in fact he just waved his hand in front of me. Irony be damned, it still qualified as 'fast driving' in his rule book- Which I translated as Why do you argue, just give me the money!
He asked for 200. I had no change, so he removed a bundle of notes to give me the change. From what I saw I estimated a good 2 lac worth cash in his pockets. There were three such men, so I guess their Sunday afternoon collection was close to 6 lacs. This is just in one corner, on one day, in an after noon. These people extort 100s of crores this way everyday.
There was a thread on Twitter a while back, where a women journalist reported she had CCTV camera footage where a constable was caught stealing her Honda Activa in the night, in uniform. Police several times in provides information to robbers in a area, if a family is out of the town, while the robbers steal they guard the home and protect while the robbers do their job. They also provide transport and logistics support in share for the theft.
Last decade when the Lokayukta of Karnataka was fairly active, they released a photograph of recovered jewelry from a raid from a inspectors home, a man came forward and reported that the jewelry in the photograph had ornaments stolen from his home a few years back. Beat that.
I hear your ordinary everyday circle inspector these days is worth a few hundred crores. They work hand-in-glove with liquor, land and drug mafia. This ain't even police, this is more like legalized mafia with unlimited powers and no accountability.
These people are not underfunded, these some of the most richest people in India currently. Their earnings are only behind politicians.
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#119I don't see how this is anything but a feel good idea. No one would even think of implementing it. Get pulled over by a corrupt cop and give him this note, he will make sure you pay him the bribe and then screw you over. Nothing but an intellectual exercise in optimism and hope.
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#120Interestingly, the number zero was invented in India
The ancient Egyptians had a conception of zero, and used a herioglypical symbol for zero. China had a counting rod system, with an empty space being a zero and Mathematical Treatise in Nine Sections had a round symbol being used for zero. Other authors were familiar with the concept of negative numbers. These are alll before Indian "invention" (probably be discovery) of zero.
It ain't that hard to understand.
Lets say you are a hunter gatherer, you hunted a pig in the forest. You and your fellow cave mates had a good meal. Another cave mate arrives an hour later. Asks how many pigs you hunted, your reply 1, asks how much is left, given you had everything, and nothing is left, what answer would you give?
Congratulations you just invented zero in 100000 BC.