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Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Post by raxxorrax »

paulcole wrote: post #9
Causality1 wrote: post #2

For me it's a simple equation that has as much to do with time and hassle as it has to do with money. I'm not going to juggle five different monthly subscriptions. I'll pay Netflix for their decent original content and all my old favorites like Star Trek. I'll buy a month of Hbo every couple years to catch up with them. I'm not going to pay $200 for a cable subscription and I'm not going to pay for Netflix and YouTub…

Am I the only one who doesn’t threaten piracy when I don’t get exactly what I want for the price I want? Is it really that unusual to not take things that you shouldn’t? I mean if Hulu doesn’t have a movie I want to watch I’ll just watch something else, I won’t go take it because I feel entitled.

> Is it really that unusual to not take things that you shouldn’t?

In our age, these are values you cannot really find anywhere.

I would consider private data intellectual property and it is taken on every opportunity.

Not saying it is the right thing to do, but here we are.

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Post by Mashimo »

zaarn wrote: post #101
jsmeaton wrote: post #99

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Setting up sonarr and radarr is not trivial, especially if you’re hooking it up to Usenet. I spend a couple of hours every year repairing the setup after the NAS has updated the mono version. Finding the right Usenet server and the correct alternative block accounts, and then just the right search provider. Ugh. But it’s magical once everything is setup.

It's not actually that complicated. There are templates that let you deploy both in a single click on a webinterface. You can use free crawlers for content out of the box. Various usenet providers provide you with picture-by-picture guides on how to setup Sonarr and Radarr. There are single-click Usenet and Torrent clients with VPN integration. Just upload the ovpn file as provided by your VPN provider and you're don…

Do most people know what a VPN is?

I'm new to all of that Sonarr/Radarr/Ombi stuff, but I torrented for along long time. It took me some time to set it up, granted I had to make it work with my torrent client and trackers that where already in place.

But before people can start with that they have to inform them self about usenet vs torrent, VPN yes / no and what provider, Plex/Emby or Jellyfin etc. It's a huge time commitment.

Then get it to work on your TV and phone.

Even if there is a guide to just tells you what is best, I doubt it can be done in the time most people want to invest.

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Post by zaarn »

Mashimo wrote: post #112
zaarn wrote: post #101

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It's not actually that complicated. There are templates that let you deploy both in a single click on a webinterface. You can use free crawlers for content out of the box. Various usenet providers provide you with picture-by-picture guides on how to setup Sonarr and Radarr. There are single-click Usenet and Torrent clients with VPN integration. Just upload the ovpn file as provided by your VPN provider and you're don…

Do most people know what a VPN is? I'm new to all of that Sonarr/Radarr/Ombi stuff, but I torrented for along long time. It took me some time to set it up, granted I had to make it work with my torrent client and trackers that where already in place. But before people can start with that they have to inform them self about usenet vs torrent, VPN yes / no and what provider, Plex/Emby or Jellyfin etc. It's a huge time…

The thing is, even if it's a huge time investment, if it's perceived to be easier and cheaper enough than subscribing to all the content providers (Hulu, HBO, Netflix, Amazon, Netflix and Disney+ just for TV content), people will do it.

Piracy was more complicated in the past and lots of people, even people with 0 technical knowledge did it. The only reason people stopped is because Netflix and friends made the legal alternative easier.

If piracy once again becomes easier than legal streaming, people will simply switch to piracy. It's as easy as that.

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Post by Mashimo »

philliphaydon wrote: post #93
mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #34

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HBO seems to still be producing very good dramas. Prime has had one or two offbeat gems recently. I think there’s still a strong market for it, but Netflix is clearly pursuing something else.

What's good on HBO? I used a VPN to subscribe to HBO and Hulu and ended up canceling it because I ended up watching more Netflix than those services...

Deadwood, Westworld, True Detectives and The Wire are some series I like. There is also Game of Thrones.

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Post by philliphaydon »

dmitriid wrote: post #105
philliphaydon wrote: post #92

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I don't know what Netflix is like in America but all my content is nothing but new stuff... The only thing that's "old" that shows on my "popular on Netflix" (or what ever its called) section is Friends.

I’m watching from Sweden, so that may be the reason, but my suggestions are laughably bad: https://twitter.com/dmitriid/status/1120410479954993153

Oh wow my suggestions are nothing like that!

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Post by philliphaydon »

Mashimo wrote: post #114
philliphaydon wrote: post #93

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What's good on HBO? I used a VPN to subscribe to HBO and Hulu and ended up canceling it because I ended up watching more Netflix than those services...

Deadwood, Westworld, True Detectives and The Wire are some series I like. There is also Game of Thrones.

I couldn’t get into westworld or the wire. Currently watching Dead To Me, Punisher, Bad Blood, Good Girls. Not seen deadwood or true detectives.

Re: Hollywood studios say they’re quitting Netflix – the truth is more complicated

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Post by michaelscott »

dagw wrote: post #84
guitarbill wrote: post #5

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Piracy is getting more attractive, too. Since works get taken out of streaming, you might find things aren't available next month. So even when I have a subscription, I'll still pirate things (the same things!), to create a permanent library and make switching easer, now that streaming libraries per service are shrinking drastically.

Since works get taken out of streaming, you might find things aren't available next month Either that or Netflix only has rights to the first couple of seasons (or in some cases the middle few seasons) so if you actually end up liking the show you're screwed since you won't be able to watch the whole thing. Another annoying problem is that in some cases and in some countries Netflix only has the dubbed version of a m…

Another weird corner case is when you want to watch a foreign language film, but because I happen to be in a country where I don't speak any of the local languages I also can't use subtitles (they don't provide English subtitles universally). This is probably an incredibly rare thing for most people though I admit.

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Post by koffiezet »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #35
tw04 wrote: post #17

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>I'll just go back to piracy like I did before Netflix existed. It amazes me they seem to be completely oblivious that this will be the the result. A percentage of someone else's revenue is still a bigger number than a percentage of nothing...

I suspect they're gambling that once people have sampled the "don't get off the couch" convenience of streaming, piracy won't be an appetizing alternative. I did always think that piracy was more about convenience than price for people who aren't broke college students.

> I did always think that piracy was more about convenience than price for people who aren't broke college students.

True, I would pay 1 or 2 streaming services (as I do the right now) - but more? No thank you, this becomes cluttered, confusing and inconvenient.

Today, I still torrent stuff even if it's available on a streaming service I already pay for (which I don't see as piracy), for 2 main reasons: guaranteed quality and ease of use.

My Plex server is the go-to place for most of the better quality shows we follow, and Netflix is for a lot of the 'meh' content you browse when you're not sure what to see, or what I call 'throw away' content we would never watch a second time. I do want to encourage them to keep making good content however, so I don't mind paying for it.

So far, Netflix has been rather consumer-focused and as a company has - afaik - done nothing to damage my trust, but that's not something I can say about all those companies having or planning to offer streaming services.

I would gladly pay for an HBO subscription if it were available here, since they produce some serious quality content - but it isn't. I would however most likely still torrent their shows.

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Post by glogla »

xvilka wrote: post #6
rlayton2 wrote: post #3

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Part of the "original" appeal of Netfix was that it was a one-stop-shop, and that effectively killed piracy for a large number of people. The legal solution was easier than the illegal one! Segregation will just revert many back to piracy as you say, until some future round of consolidation.

Exactly. Same thing was with Steam from Valve. But now both streaming and gaming platforms get a split, thus creating many complications for users. I bet that will increase piracy in both worlds.

I should note that Epic store is mostly viable because of Valve believing they can get things as locked down as Apple and Google and thus can charge the same 30 % tax.

"Alternate App Store for iOS" is never going to work, at least if someone doesn't break Apple monopoly.

But that's not the case for PC games. So alternate store that charges less is obvious optimization.

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Post by krick »

philliphaydon wrote: post #93
mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #34

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HBO seems to still be producing very good dramas. Prime has had one or two offbeat gems recently. I think there’s still a strong market for it, but Netflix is clearly pursuing something else.

What's good on HBO? I used a VPN to subscribe to HBO and Hulu and ended up canceling it because I ended up watching more Netflix than those services...

Succession (S01) was really good IMO. And while quality is somewhat arguable, Game of Thrones and Westworld were undeniable hits.
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