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Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by duxup »

bad_user wrote: post #23

And this is the danger of having so much power concentrated in a single country. Google might not want to do this, but they might need to, because they are a US company. Unfortunately this affects everyone. Why should Europeans care about US’s trade wars? And don’t get me wrong, I would never buy Huawei devices because they are made by a company owned by a communist party, but that’s my choice to make, not that of so…

In a single company, not country.

Any country can influence the local company and if you do business with the company then there you go.

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Post by generic_user »

gonvaled wrote: post #86
generic_user wrote: post #70

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> What are those issues? The issue is certainly not that China wants to advance there local industries. The US has spent the last 40 years+ helping china develop its industry and technology. The Issue is that China was obligated to develop reciprocal free trade like the rest of the WTO members. Over the last 20 years they have been moving farther away from that into a state socialist mercantilist expansionist power.…

The US has pretty much withdrawn from all international organizations (or is simply ignoring them, see WTO). The US is not abiding by any international order. The US is economically terrorizing the world by aggressively pushing the dominance of the US dollar. It has (successfully, to date) prevented the Iranian Oil Bourse (in €, 2008). It interferes in the sovereignty of nations: for example, it has enforced the Iran…

> The world trade order is tilted in favor of the US, as are IP rules (favoring the incumbent power, with a head start of several decades).

This is not a US only issue.

the only incentive to create IP whether its scientific, technology, or the arts is that the creator can monetize there creation through copyright, patents etc. IP is the foundation of growth for this century for the entire industrialized world. I doubt the EU or anyone else supports Chinas IP theft, it has ill effects on all IP holders including EU companies.

> I for one support the Chinese in this conflict, if for nothing else, simply for the possibility of putting some restraint on the out-of-control Hegemon.

your entitled to your opinion. but I don't support the tariffs and other measures because I support the President of the US. I think the strategy behind China 2025 if implemented would lead to a destabilization of the global economy. that could very quickly lead to a serious war.

> You are not, and the rest of the world is pretty much not in agreement with the US

On some of your points Iran etc, sure there is a lot of the world that disagrees with the US position. including many US citizens. but on the issues of China's trade abuses and the Huawei ban I think most of the the world including those in the EU, UK, Japan etc, want to see China move away from there current ambitions.

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Post by tekkk »

NotPaidToPost wrote: post #99
tekkk wrote: post #95

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Colonialism? Western exploitation? Really? I do not think that this was necessarily a smart or moral choice by the US's part, but I guess they know more about the issue than I do, based on which this action was made. But I am curious how you can draw a line between alleged espionage accusations and the need for the US to secure its own telecommunications networks by forcing out a possibly hostile actor and colonialis…

Enough with repeating the official propaganda of "espionnage", etc. This is a transparent pretext. The real issue is the US facing the end of their status of top dog with the rise of a superpower that does not answer to them (which is an emotive subject). It's no hyperbole to state that they are fighting for their empire and resorting to gunboat diplomacy. Nothing less, nothing more. This is an extremely sensitive, a…

Perhaps so, and as my emotional input I'd still rather have a bad-democracy ruling over the world as supposed to a totalitarian state. Actually I even prefer China losing influence on global scale, what do you have to say about that? Yet I still don't resort to over-extrapolation or forming my opinions based on how I feel about the subject. My personal values do have a play on how I view the world, but I try to be as unbiased about them as possible.

But I am curious how do you know so deeply Chinese emotional landscape? This is a part of US's economical and political push-back against growing Chinese influence, which you assume makes Chinese feel insulted? Sounds pretty childish, that people would get such a strong feeling of hurt-pride when the cause is purely a political power-play, and not at all a snub at China's technological or other capabilities. On the contrary, I think this flatters China that US fears Chinese influence so much that they feel this is a necessary action for them to take.

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Post by emptyfile »

andygates wrote: post #109
emptyfile wrote: post #52

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As a European customer I couldn't care less if Martians were to blame... simply put I won't ever put a penny in Google's pocket if they brick my phone.

That's why they're not bricking any phones. "No more updates" ain't bricking.

If no more updates means no more up to date security patches then as far as I'm concerned they killed my phone...

I know that's not what the word "bricked" means.

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Post by mongol »

dx034 wrote: post #45
mongol wrote: post #9

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I don't think it is in Samsung's or Sony's interest.

Why not? They also built on Android to have one common ecosystem with all the benefits of scale. If Huawei now builds their own App Store, Samsung risks losing customers in countries where Huawei already dominates. Building one together would at least keep the status quo.

Because of their country of origin. They both are based in democracies and are unlikely to be embargoed like Chinese companies. What we see are symptoms of trade war between China and the west. South Korean and Japanese companies do not share the same role in this story as Huawei.

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Post by sorenjan »

dx034 wrote: post #46
throw20102010 wrote: post #21

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Most Chinese versions of Android are completely de-Googled[1]- no Play store, no Maps, no GMail, etc. They have their own app store, web browser, and everything else. They are still based on Android, but it's not a stretch to think that most Chinese phone manufacturers could fork the open source project tomorrow. As soon as Google goes too far against the Chinese government, the manufacturers will receive a notice th…

In the end, the only superior system Google offers outside of China is Search (and to some degree Mail). Search can be integrated without the need of an app and GMail can be accessed by any mail client. All the other money making products (Maps, Play Store, Pay) could probably be replaced without users complaining much.

It's not just about Google's own apps, it's about installing and getting updates to other apps from the play store. Additionally, most apps now use the Google play services that Google has moved a lot of Android functionality into to be able to update it faster.

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Post by vetinari »

product50 wrote: post #69
enitihas wrote: post #61

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I am not sure why Asian Phone companies would do anything. As far as we see, only Chinese companies might want to. Asia is big and includes a lot more countries than China. Other asian countries are in the same bucket as Europe in moving to custom ecosystem.

Exactly. Original poster is trying to go into hyperbolics. Why would LG and Samsung want to participate in this and risk Google's wrath? Which user would like to get a phone without Google's apps on it? This is all looks good on paper as a so called strategy but in real implementation, almost impossible to implement. Consumers will just shift to another Google supported phone.

> Why would LG and Samsung want to participate in this and risk Google's wrath?

As an insurance, so they do not have to be afraid of Google's wrath.

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Post by TjajectaTore »

estranhosidade wrote: post #55
maccard wrote: post #44

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> As long as Huawei can sell device globally, they can just build their devices in such way that allowing their users to load custom ROM into it without effect warranty The number of people who will buy a device without Android just to sideload Android on to it is absolutely miniscule. My girlfriend and parents (who all have Huawei devices) absolutely would not.

It's true. I mean, there are people using freaking bing just because it is the default search engine on Windows.

There are those people, my friend, but You and I are not. Spoken in the voice of the sword fencer in the movie called "The Princess Bride," or any Antonio Banderas movie if you feel trashy.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by TjajectaTore »

estranhosidade wrote: post #55
maccard wrote: post #44

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> As long as Huawei can sell device globally, they can just build their devices in such way that allowing their users to load custom ROM into it without effect warranty The number of people who will buy a device without Android just to sideload Android on to it is absolutely miniscule. My girlfriend and parents (who all have Huawei devices) absolutely would not.

It's true. I mean, there are people using freaking bing just because it is the default search engine on Windows.

Let's shuck hold till the rooster's old, who knows how these Mexicans speaks. Let's white it up for these white hacker news
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