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VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by petre »

gtirloni wrote: post #8

I'm completely clueless about electric engines so I was wondering if, besides range, there are other attributes one should look for in an electric car like HP and that kind of stuff? In other words, are all electric motors so similar that range is the only differentiator?

No. Electrical engines are even more dissimilar between them than diesel and gas engines. They can have different geometries, one can put them in wheels or power any or all of the axles. Traction designs all have very good starting torque, which translates to good 0-60 acceleration. The most wonderful thing about them is that you don't need a gearbox. The limiting factor is the battery. The power electronics and the motor are pretty much a solved problem.

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Post by bdamm »

threeseed wrote: post #103
bdamm wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VW also has years of fooling themselves by prioritorizing the diesel technology over electric development and running an enormous fraud in the process. This will have held them back. I don't think VW can ramp up as fast as they will want.

Musk goes around calling people pedophiles and is high on Ambien half the time. Does that mean we should discount Tesla'a manufacturing ability as well ? Or maybe this like the diesel issue has nothing to do with manufacturing.

The point is that by running the fraud they reduced their own ability to actually develop the necessary technology for the future market. The fraud affected their own prioritization decisions, and teams were assigned to continue diesel development based on a lie they were telling themselves, which is that diesel is great and could be economically made to comply with tighter emissions requirements. Development of electric was underfunded and late, and now they are rushing to catch up.

Maybe they'll get it. But they stacked the deck against themselves, and I wager they haven't worked out the kinks in their suppliers.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by B1FF_PSUVM »

localhoat wrote: post #51

As a German - this is really embarrassing. Old managers, old technology, old dealer infrastructure - painted in freaking childish colors. Really guys? That’s the best we can do...?

> As a German - this is really embarrassing.

What's really embarrassing is that German authorities and engineering bodies did not nail to the wall the VW execs that pushed the 'Dieselgate' fraud.

The reputation of German engineering was worth billions - those crooks took some millions to the bank uncontested, and now "cheats and liars" is the word.

Good going.

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Post by fri_sch »

rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #85
kaicianflone wrote: post #63

I don't know how we're trusting a company that lied about emissions to create the next generation of electric cars. After the TDI and TSI scandals, I know many people who hope this brand does not survive. I will never buy a VW, Porsche, or Audi if my life depended on it.

What brand do you recommend then, one that does not deceive or lie about their cars' emissions?

Maybe sonomotors.com? At least they seem a lot more trustworthy.

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Post by imtringued »

tom_ wrote: post #64
jcfrei wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the newer 350kW charging stations you can charge up to 80% in about 15 minutes (ie. for a Model S battery). So not much more than filling up with gas. Granted cars which support this will be available at the earliest next year.

Is 15 minutes really "not much more than filling up with gas"? You can fill my car up to 100% from empty in 100 seconds. The entire process, including payment, takes less than 2.5 minutes, and usually (I rarely let it run to empty) more like 2 minutes, from switching off the engine at the pump to switching it back on and driving off. My car's fuel tank is 60 litres (15.8 US gallons). 35 miles per Imperial gallon in m…

I have a car with 30 litres and I don't think I ever filled up that quick in my entire life and I honestly couldn't care less because simply driving to the gas station and back takes me 5 minutes.

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Post by officeplant »

edent wrote: post #107

> buyers will get up to 2,000kWh of charging for free during the first year. That's about £250 worth of electricity - if you charge solely at home. From fast chargers, that's about £750 - £1,000. Not a bad incentive if you do lots of long journeys and need to charge at a motorway service station. But perhaps not as generous as it sounds for more typical use.

Seeing as how that would ring up to around $160 here it makes me wonder how much cost different going EV would be for me personally. Unfortunately fuel is also cheap here at $2.28/gal on average the last month or two and I average around 37 to 46mpg in a non-hybrid turbo car.

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Post by mikestew »

philjohn wrote: post #83
urda wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buying a product when told it has X features and specifications then receiving said product with Y features and specifications and then becoming upset over it as a consumer isn't "entitlement".

And when VW offered to buy back the defective product they declined.

Yes, because as I understand it there was a second option offered: restitution, which the owner/OP selected. If you have a point, it is not clear to me.

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Post by mikestew »

officeplant wrote: post #116
edent wrote: post #107

> buyers will get up to 2,000kWh of charging for free during the first year. That's about £250 worth of electricity - if you charge solely at home. From fast chargers, that's about £750 - £1,000. Not a bad incentive if you do lots of long journeys and need to charge at a motorway service station. But perhaps not as generous as it sounds for more typical use.

Seeing as how that would ring up to around $160 here it makes me wonder how much cost different going EV would be for me personally. Unfortunately fuel is also cheap here at $2.28/gal on average the last month or two and I average around 37 to 46mpg in a non-hybrid turbo car.

At $0.10/kWh, my napkin says EV is still around half the cost of gasoline per mile.

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Post by m463 »

mft_ wrote: post #7

Interesting (and great that the bigger manufacturers are starting to come through with their electric offerings) but the price:range ratio doesn't seem great compared to the Tesla model 3? It's hard to be objective with all of the strongly pro- and anti-Tesla nonsense flying around, but I've had a sneaking suspicion for a while that once the market matures a little (with eg Audi, VW, Porsche all offering their first-…

I think what people are going to find out is that teslas last a lot longer.

I've seen tesla model s cars with 300,000 miles on the odometer.

You have to think in terms of range * cycles.

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