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Israel’s Beresheet Spacecraft Moon Landing Attempt Appears to End in Crash

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Re: Israel’s Beresheet Spacecraft Moon Landing Attempt Appears to End in Crash

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Post by aurailious »

reaperducer wrote: post #39
zymhan wrote: post #2

> On the way down, the main engine cut out. The engine was successfully restarted, but then communications were cut off, and no more information was sent back. Definitely a terrible time to have an engine failure :/

then communications were cut off, and no more information was sent back. Have any of these moon landings been done at night where people have been able to watch it happening through a telescope? Or are things so small at the moon's distance that there'd be nothing to see?

The resolution a 10 meter telescope on Earth can make out of the moon is about 22 meters per pixel. We can yet make out the moon landing site with earth based telescope.

Re: Israel’s Beresheet Spacecraft Moon Landing Attempt Appears to End in Crash

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

oliveshell wrote: post #79
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but if all people got to vote in their respective democraties for a global push to space Isn't that anathema to the current isolationist, nationalist bent a lot of the worlds biggest and baddest powers people seem to be adopting?

Who cares? Doesn’t mean it’s not something we should hope for.

> Obviously there are challenges, but if all people got to vote in their respective democraties for a global push to space - I would be surprised to not see it approved.

My point is that I would be very much surprised to see it approved, as it appears to be the people themselves who have become against these sorts of global pushes.

Yes, it should be the goal, I was raised on Star Trek, I'm just saying that doesn't seem likely.

Re: Israel’s Beresheet Spacecraft Moon Landing Attempt Appears to End in Crash

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Post by brandmeyer »

RIMR wrote: post #106
brandmeyer wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing could be further from the truth. These folks are fierce with nationalistic and sectarian pride in their vehicle. https://mobile.twitter.com/teamspaceil/status/11163129311033...

Honestly, I consider this consent to mock them for their failure. This cockiness is on the same level as calling the Titanic "The Unsinkable". They wanted to fail modestly, they should have behaved modestly.

My point really wasn't that these folks got what's coming to them for their arrogance. My point is that this isn't a mission of international we're-all-in-this-together cooperation. It is very much viewed by the Israeli's running the mission as a part of the nation-state space race.

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Post by RIMR »

brandmeyer wrote: post #113
RIMR wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I consider this consent to mock them for their failure. This cockiness is on the same level as calling the Titanic "The Unsinkable". They wanted to fail modestly, they should have behaved modestly.

My point really wasn't that these folks got what's coming to them for their arrogance. My point is that this isn't a mission of international we're-all-in-this-together cooperation. It is very much viewed by the Israeli's running the mission as a part of the nation-state space race.

Which means we can now judge the mission by the merits of the nation-state it represents.

Israel is a violent apartheid state that is attempt to ethnically cleanse its population.

Since the mission held zero scientific value, I'm glad it crashed.

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Post by markdown »

hirundo wrote: post #21
pfortuny wrote: post #8

So: first attempt to get to the moon (by them, who are not quite USA or China) and they just fail at the very end. Like getting a silver medal at the Olympics. Yes, sad. But man!

With a population of < 3% of the USA, < 1% of China.

Aren't they also the world's largest foreign aid recipient?

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

olex wrote: post #74
peteradio wrote: post #67

So is this the first moon wreckage?

Far from it. Both the USA and USSR have crashed multiple landers before successfully touching one down. And that doesn't even count intentional "impactor" missions that came before that.

...and a billion years of meteorite rubble

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Post by golemiprague »

sanxiyn wrote: post #36
ronnier wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe not a success this time, but a lot will be learned. These types of failures are now we learn, adapt, and move forward.

I doubt SpaceIL will be able to use anything they learned. IIUC they are out of money and can't move forward.

Many people attribute the tech industry in Israel to the failure of the Lavie fighter jet project, many of the engineers moved forward and created startups utilising the knowledge they accumulated.

Re: Israel’s Beresheet Spacecraft Moon Landing Attempt Appears to End in Crash

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Post by ForrestN »

jesseab wrote: post #16

It's time to retire the tired old nation-state space-race narrative. We're all in this together people. Their failure is our failure.

It’s time to retire the ignorant notion that nation-state space programs can be morally disentangled from the governments pursuing them in no small part for political ends. Their success is the regime’s success.
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