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How a small group of activists got gas-powered leaf blowers banned in D.C.

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Re: How a small group of activists got gas-powered leaf blowers banned in D.C.

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Glorious day! I wish they would ban them where I live. I detest noise, but judging by the popularity of Harley's I must be in the minority.

If we could band together and get motorcyles banned I would be ecstatic. Loud mufflers of any kind, really.

You are as petty as you are fascist.

Re: How a small group of activists got gas-powered leaf blowers banned in D.C.

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Maybe they'd heard of a snow blower, and thought it was basically the same thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_blower

I think they had basically no experience with snow removal and tried to "improvise" a solution. There were plenty of people who cracked their windshields by following the meme advice "boil water and pour it over your winshield to de-ice it quickly. Meanwhile northerners know you have to scrape it. It is clever but wrong as an approach.

Boiling water would be a huge risk, yes. On the other hand, cool/tepid water can make things a lot easier.

Re: How a small group of activists got gas-powered leaf blowers banned in D.C.

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The ban is on gas -powered leaf blowers. I’ve switched to all electric yard tools at home. No regrets; the tools are durable, can easily handle the whole job on a single charge, quiet enough that I feel comfortable letting my children assist (they can hear my instructions and generally what’s going on around them), and no gas engines to maintain.

The real issue IMO is that the battery powered yard tools are infected by the same planned obsolescence as existing power tools. Most gas-powered yard tools last damn near forever even if you don't do maintenance on them. The battery powered ones are good for three years and then you're buying a new one. If you're lucky they still make the battery, but it costs as much a whole new tool. Wish we could standardize mode…

Many rechargeable battery packs are just assemblies of 18650 or similar cylindrical cells — if they just made the packs openable then it would be easy to replace and recycle the cells.

Re: How a small group of activists got gas-powered leaf blowers banned in D.C.

#114
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Maybe they could have required them to have catalytic converters.

Get too hot for use on a device like a leaf blower. Also would add non-negligible costs.

Would making them 4 stroke engines make them burn significantly cleaner?

Re: How a small group of activists got gas-powered leaf blowers banned in D.C.

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Motorcycles do not have to be loud. Many riders believe that loud pipes make them safer, but I haven't seen data to back that up. I've owned bikes for years, commuted to work on them (when I've had office-based jobs), and mostly my neighbors are surprised to find out that I ride them, because I don't sit outside and rev them up in the mornings before leaving, or gun them up to high RPMs while leaving the neighborhood…

Really my objection is to the loud noise. If Harley Davidson makes a silent electric one, I'll rescind my call to ban them.

Stock Harleys aren't that loud. What you hear is after market open pipes that are poorly regulated in most states and rarely ticketed in those that do regulate them.

Re: How a small group of activists got gas-powered leaf blowers banned in D.C.

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post #114

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Get too hot for use on a device like a leaf blower. Also would add non-negligible costs.

Would making them 4 stroke engines make them burn significantly cleaner?

Making them electric helps.

Re: How a small group of activists got gas-powered leaf blowers banned in D.C.

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post #82

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exposed to 70dB, which is well below the threshold for damage. 70 dBA is at the threshold for hearing damage (65-70 dBA range). It's below the OSHA limit of 85 dBA, but that is not the threshold for hearing damage, it's the threshold for acceptable [0] hearing damage. [0] where "acceptable" means that a person exposed to 85 dBA for an average of 40-hrs per week for 10 years can still understand conversational speech…

Interesting. Is there any reliable way to tell db noise from headphones? For example, apple airpods on an iphone.

you could certainly buy a sound level meter and measure the output from your headphones at your usual volume setting. you would probably not like what you learned, though. as a rule of thumb, any sound that requires you to raise your voice to have a conversation over is loud enough to damage your hearing. most people don't like to listen to music at safe levels.

Re: How a small group of activists got gas-powered leaf blowers banned in D.C.

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For what it's worth a gas powered leaf blower puts out as much pollution in a day of work as a Ford Raptor will in 100,000 miles. Source: https://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/emissions-test-...

The problem pollutants for vehicles are NOx and particulate (particularly small particulate under 2.5 or 10 microns in diameter). This test found the truck produced a lot of NOx, and didn't test for particulate matter, so it's not really able to say what you want it to say.

Leaf blowers are two-stroke engines which have an entirely (and much worse) emissions profile compared to modern four stroke engines. E.g. you'll find things like benzene in their exhaust. Hence results like "waiting near a 2-stroke scooter on an intersection is orders of magnitudes more poisenous than waiting near a car".

Re: How a small group of activists got gas-powered leaf blowers banned in D.C.

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If we could band together and get motorcyles banned I would be ecstatic. Loud mufflers of any kind, really.

The motorcycles in Europe have drastic noise limitations, most as on the same level with your average car while consuming less fuel and polluting less. No ban is needed here.

> No ban is needed here.

Actual enforcement would go a long way though...

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