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Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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Post by beatgammit »

kasbah wrote: post #46
darkpuma wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla released the extension "Facebook Container", which is great, but that's only one of the FANG companies notorious for invading privacy. Where is the "Google Container" extension from Mozilla? There exists such an extension but it's by a third party, not by Mozilla. It would be nice to see it from Mozilla since I trust them more than I trust some random extension developer; I can feel confident in recommending…

Those container extensions are just the "Firefox Multi-Account Containers" extension developed by Mozilla with some default settings for Facebook and Google. https://github.com/mozilla/multi-account-containers

Yup, and I use it religiously. I keep my work Google account separate from my personal Google account, which is separate from everything else. If I don't trust it, it gets a separate container.

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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Post by amelius »

puffy_magicdrgn wrote: post #68
chkuendig wrote: post #66

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How can first-party cookies used to track users across multiple properties?

You send tracking events to your analytics/tracking partner from your backend instead of from the browser and they combine the cookie ids.

The next step is that they will let third-parties inject javascript from the backend. At that point all is lost and the web will die a horrible death.

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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Post by mistertrotsky »

mosselman wrote: post #96

My work laptop is a very fast upper end macbook and I can somewhat reliably run Firefox on that. My personal laptop is an older macbook pro retina model and whenever I use firefox on that it gets incredibly slow and from time to time the computer just freezes for 20-40 seconds. So, sadly, I can't use firefox on that. At one point someone on HN posted a link to the bug report on mozilla's bug tracker about this issue…

I use Firefox Nightly on a MacBook (Retina) and it performs very well with WebRender on and gfx.compositor.glcontext.opaque set to TRUE. Faster than Safari even! Worse battery life though.

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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Post by bfrydl »

fimdomeio wrote: post #11

One thing mentioned on the responses that might be really concerning is the fact that this will mean that for a lot of analytics it will look like firefox usage is close to zero. No usage data, devs caring less about firefox, users having more problems when using firefox, less users using firefox, less users having 3rd party trackers blocked, chrome monopoly growing.

In my experience as a long-term Firefox user, developers already don't care about Firefox. It's amazing how many websites I visit that break or look awful until I switch to Chromium.

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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Post by devmunchies »

amelius wrote: post #112
puffy_magicdrgn wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You send tracking events to your analytics/tracking partner from your backend instead of from the browser and they combine the cookie ids.

The next step is that they will let third-parties inject javascript from the backend. At that point all is lost and the web will die a horrible death.

Are you speculating or is that a real plan?

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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Post by kazagistar »

amelius wrote: post #112
puffy_magicdrgn wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You send tracking events to your analytics/tracking partner from your backend instead of from the browser and they combine the cookie ids.

The next step is that they will let third-parties inject javascript from the backend. At that point all is lost and the web will die a horrible death.

Routing tracking traffic through a subdomain that proxies through to the third party is already a thing. And my adblocker, at least, already blocks that too.

It's not death anyway; it's just that blockers will have to adjust to blocking bits of third party content.

Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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Post by [deleted] »

kop316 wrote: post #95
drukenemo wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe that many users are blocking first-party cookies. Source: I'm a web analyst managing large sites and can see how many visitors block all cookies. It's minimal. Also blocking first-party cookies requires a degree of tech-savviness and it prevents many websites from working properly.

To add with that the parent comment said, I do as well, in two ways: - IE prompts me if I want to block cookies on a website, so unless I trust it, I block by default. - I have an extension on Firefox that is "Cookie Autodelete", so I visit a site and unless I whitelist it, all cookies will be deleted when I leave. I wondering if you are not seeing blocked cookie because of the second one. I'm not blocking it, but as…

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Re: Firefox to Block All 3rd Party Trackers by Default

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Post by philipodonnell »

darkpuma wrote: post #36
traderjane wrote: post #19

Firefox's Container's approach has been quite interesting to use, but if a suggestion could get out to the Firefox team, I would advise improved streamlining of workflow for the extension, including with sync and returning browser setup, and for organizing and setting up new containers (configuring them to always open for a domain, putting them in folders).

Yeah the UX of Multi-Account Containers is awful. The number of steps the user is required to follow to make a website always open in a particular container is absurd. 1) Create a new container 2) Open a new tab with that container 3) Open the website in that container 4) Check "Always open in [container name]" 5) Open a new tab and load that page again. 6) Click "Remember my decision" 7) Click "Open in [container na…

> Also, why a limit of 8 colors and 12 icons? Why not an arbitrary number of colors and user definable icons?

This commonly called the paradox of choice. Satisfaction is often higher when choosing from a limited set of good options than choosing from a large set of options with varying quality.

(YMMV, it is also used as an excuse for being inflexible, or for forcing bad options on users a.l.a. a false dilemma, and to be honest I'm not sure how to tell the difference as an outsider)

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