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Is Paul Graham and Robert Morris's Arc language[a] being used for anything in production other than Y Combinator websites? [a] http://arclanguage.org/
They were converting from Arc to Racket, but I don't know how much ended up being done (https://github.com/hubski/hubski/wiki/Converting-Arc-functio...).
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I'm curious because I thought the main draw of CL was that it was easy as heck to roll your own library support.
It's easy to roll anything in CL if you know what you're doing, but making it talk wsgi or generate pngs isn't trivial, no matter what language you're writing it in.
> Beating the Averages > A classic article on using powerful programming languages as a secret weapon I'm surprised this is included given that it's been more or less been proven to be false. Almost every valuable company in the past 2 decades was built on a blub language. Facebook even used PHP! Java and C++ are at the core of most Amazon and Google services. There basically haven't been any big companies build on a…
> it's been more or less been proven to be false Not really. It's true that few big winners have used Lisp, but that would only disprove the thesis if there were also companies who tried using Lisp and failed. AFAICT, no one is even doing the experiment. I actually know of two notable counterexamples: Barefoot Networks has an internal design tool written in Common Lisp that is a significant source of competitive adva…
Most languages have the features of CL that made it so useful. Even Java has first class functions, lambdas, partial application, async IO, etc. Java even has a repl now. The only things left afaict are macros (non-hygenic in CLtL2) and code-as-data/eval (a security hole).
Aside from pulling from functional languages, Java also learned Python's 'with' using try-with-resources. Meanwhile the tooling of Java went from strength to strength and it's a serious blub factor for people who haven't used Java.
Beating the Averages was fairly spot on at the time it was written, but since then it's lost it's power as features of blub languages was merged into existing languages.
> Beating the Averages > A classic article on using powerful programming languages as a secret weapon I'm surprised this is included given that it's been more or less been proven to be false. Almost every valuable company in the past 2 decades was built on a blub language. Facebook even used PHP! Java and C++ are at the core of most Amazon and Google services. There basically haven't been any big companies build on a…
But did they succeed because or despite those languages?
Would they have been even more successful and would their code have been more maintainable, more easily exapandable, had more power or more flexibility had they used Lisp?
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HSTS only works if (1) the endpoint properly supports it, (2) the browser supports it, (3) the list is up to date, (4) there is no attacker ever waiting for you to hit the page for the first time or when HSTS expires. (2) is not really a concern any more, (3) occasionally becomes a concern, (1) is a concern for most of the web, and (4) is a concern for literally every use of HSTS. The whole point of HSTS is to ward o…
(4) is solved by HSTS preloading. The request is upgraded to https before any traffic hits the network, even if you've never visited the domain before. The list of HSTS preloaded domains and TLDs is hard-coded into your browser. For more info: https://hstspreload.org/
Also, does that site even work?
Status: google.com is not preloaded.
Status: microsoft.com is not preloaded.
Status: duckduckgo.com is not preloaded.
Status: news.ycombinator.com is not preloaded.
Status: aws.amazon.com is not preloaded.
Status: bankofamerica.com is not preloaded.
Status: capitalone.com is not preloaded.
> Beating the Averages > A classic article on using powerful programming languages as a secret weapon I'm surprised this is included given that it's been more or less been proven to be false. Almost every valuable company in the past 2 decades was built on a blub language. Facebook even used PHP! Java and C++ are at the core of most Amazon and Google services. There basically haven't been any big companies build on a…
> bulb language Had to look that up — do you mean a blub language?
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As sibling said, reddit was CL before it was Python. But more importantly, reddit predates Arc by more than two years. :) And the main reason reddit was rewritten was library support. Doing simple things in CL was hard because you had to write it from scratch, but doing those things in Python was a simple library install.
I'm curious because I thought the main draw of CL was that it was easy as heck to roll your own library support.
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It's easy to roll anything in CL if you know what you're doing, but making it talk wsgi or generate pngs isn't trivial, no matter what language you're writing it in.
CL implementations do have an FFI that you could at least call C libraries from, don't they?
> Beating the Averages > A classic article on using powerful programming languages as a secret weapon I'm surprised this is included given that it's been more or less been proven to be false. Almost every valuable company in the past 2 decades was built on a blub language. Facebook even used PHP! Java and C++ are at the core of most Amazon and Google services. There basically haven't been any big companies build on a…
According to Alan Kay, Smalltalk was an explicit attempt at making something as dynamic as Lisp, but where one wasn't "coding in your data representation." There was very high representation in the Fortune 500, and some very big business applications. Much of the natural gas in North America was scheduled on a Smalltalk application. JP Morgan used Smalltalk to manage very large portfolios at one point. I could go on about the applications I know about personally for hours, actually.
The line blurs, however, as Java was very much inspired/influenced by Smalltalk, as was the CLR and C#. Ruby and Python were also highly influenced by Smalltalk. Javascript was influened by Self, which was effectively the "Son of Smalltalk." Smalltalk, at one point, was also cited as being a "blub" language. (No templates, no macros, no explicit multiple inheritance...)