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Google backtracks on Chrome modifications that would have crippled ad blockers

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Re: Google backtracks on Chrome modifications that would have crippled ad blockers

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post #100

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I did the switch to Firefox too but can't help notice during frontend (Angular and React) development that Chrome reload my apps significantly faster.

Cache disabled when dev tools open in FF but not Chrome?

Cache is disabled in chrome when dev tools are open.

Re: Google backtracks on Chrome modifications that would have crippled ad blockers

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post #102

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Footnote in pg's article makes me wonder what the stats are today. I'd guess Windows down, Mac way up, Linux/FreeBSD about flat [maybe slightly up], but I have no idea. [2] Y Combinator is (we hope) visited mostly by hackers. The proportions of OSes are: Windows 66.4%, Macintosh 18.8%, Linux 11.4%, and FreeBSD 1.5%. The Mac number is a big change from what it would have been five years ago.

Wow, that the majority is Windows is a bit unexpected to me. Really shows how powerful and omnipresent Windows actually still is - something that is often forgotten when living in certain tech bubbles. Linux with 11% is quite high, I like that. What seems lower then expected are the Mac numbers to me. Thanks for sharing.

The linked article, and its footnote quoted above, are from 2005.

Re: Google backtracks on Chrome modifications that would have crippled ad blockers

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post #58

Every year Stallman sounds less crazy. I used to think it didn't matter what tools I chose as a lone developer making consumer tech products and DSP audio applications. But over time, I saw that consumers rely on frontier-makers more than you think, even though they may lag behind by a few years. I reluctantly switched to Firefox because it still has add-ons and since Chrome's web tools are so good. With Mozilla's Ru…

What’s frightening is that most people agreed with his views, but weren’t willing to commit to them because of practicality. I of course am one of them.

Decades later, I think we are still at a point where following his ideas come at a very steep price in performance and day to day usage.

For instance any dev that touches an iOs app in any way or form (even if it’s just to run in on test devices) is better off with a mac.

There’s ton of prevalent android apps that won’t work without the Play Store, and even rooting the phone is already seen as an hostile act from many vendors.

The list goes on and on, keeping hardware or software free is still an insane move that needs sizeable sacrifices. And it’s scary there’s no indication of the situation to change for the better.

Re: Google backtracks on Chrome modifications that would have crippled ad blockers

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post #98

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At this point in time, there's hundres of real world exmples of every single "crazy" warning given by Stallman.

The difficulty is that many of those examples are also doing useful things that the more open/free alternatives aren't. We are developing an unfortunate dichotomy between commercially supported, closed ecosystems with lock-in and rapid update cycles that provide superior functionality and more community-driven, open ecosystems with standards and future-proofing but inferior functionality. If the open versions aren't…

That's the choice we each have to make for ourselves. Be a serf in corporate walled garden for short term convenience, or help build and improve the open ecosystem so it can catch up.

Re: Google backtracks on Chrome modifications that would have crippled ad blockers

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post #113
post #58

Every year Stallman sounds less crazy. I used to think it didn't matter what tools I chose as a lone developer making consumer tech products and DSP audio applications. But over time, I saw that consumers rely on frontier-makers more than you think, even though they may lag behind by a few years. I reluctantly switched to Firefox because it still has add-ons and since Chrome's web tools are so good. With Mozilla's Ru…

What’s frightening is that most people agreed with his views, but weren’t willing to commit to them because of practicality. I of course am one of them. Decades later, I think we are still at a point where following his ideas come at a very steep price in performance and day to day usage. For instance any dev that touches an iOs app in any way or form (even if it’s just to run in on test devices) is better off with a…

If you are willing to try, microg mimics play store and apps will work without it. Happy user for ~2 years.

https://lineage.microg.org/

Read faq.

Re: Google backtracks on Chrome modifications that would have crippled ad blockers

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Sounds like Google will still move towards what they were planning but will likely just take a bit more time and more versions to get there (as the outrage subsides). From my perspective, the biggest improvement in their proposal would have been the increased privacy and security users would receive with adblockers that use the proposed scheme. Under the current scheme, any Chrome adblocker can see all of the pages t…

> Under the current scheme, any Chrome adblocker can see all of the pages that users browse; a potentially huge privacy hole.

Isn't there solution to have the blocker send a limited list of declarative block-rules of a particular style?

Why not just let the adblockers pass in an uncapped quantity of javascript that will run in some kind blocking context, but be sandboxed from any external outgoing communication? That would give the flexibility of the current adblockers, but still plug the privacy hole.

Edit: Apparently Google is actually not plugging any privacy holes, since it will still allow monitoring: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19184169

Re: Google backtracks on Chrome modifications that would have crippled ad blockers

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> With Mozilla's Rust adoption, Firefox got fast. Those are unrelated.

Stylo was attempted in C++ twice. Both times it was too buggy and had to be thrown out. The third time, they used Rust. And it worked.

But not becoase of Rust. To develop in c++/c you need to know what you are doing. The developers like that, are very rare today.

(And now I will get -20 when whole Rust evengalist crew will reign down on me... :D :D :D And people complain about Russians manipulating the elections :D Nothin compared to Rust :D)

Re: Google backtracks on Chrome modifications that would have crippled ad blockers

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And that's why this announcement should make people switch to alternatives with different engine like FF. Saying we need multiple browsers, then using chrome or its clone actually makes the situation worse. Also chrome is no longer snappy as it was initially.

Chrome may or may not be the best browser. But Google properties tying into Chrome as a platform (think sync, extensions, auth, captchas) and making it really difficult to switch away creates a situation where it's not all about choosing the best browser any more. This harkens back to the same anti-competitive monopolistic behavior that Microsoft got sued for in the late 90's.

The best browser isn't the fastest. It's the one you can trust to serve you and not some corporation or government that wants to control what you see and where you go.

Re: Google backtracks on Chrome modifications that would have crippled ad blockers

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Well, maybe. Google could add features to the api.

Then google will be the only one who can innovate in the area in adblocking abilities.

There is innovation above the api level. And if new api features are being requested by adblockers, who is really innovating?

The way I would put it is that Google becomes the gatekeeper for some low-level adblocker features.

Re: Google backtracks on Chrome modifications that would have crippled ad blockers

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This is a win-win situation for Google. I doubt they haven't done the maths. If they lose a percentage of the userbase, but get increased revenue, it's only logical to do that. If their userbase decreases, their monopoly status also decreases, making regulation harder. The percentage of users who install firefox is low because of the inertia of the default. Having Google as the default search engine in firefox certai…

Mozilla has for numerous years been supported by Google cash. I’m not sure if Google is still supporting Mozilla.

How do you expect Mozilla to undercut a major funder?

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