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Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook NotSpywareWePromise

Followed by a "We totally apologize for making this mistake, which is totally on me and we promise to clean up our act and behave better in the future and we're sorry if you feel offended" apology by Mr. Zuckerberg a few month later.

"We regret to inform you the duck is spyware."

(inspired by https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/milkshake-duck)

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

#112
Disappointed to not see Apple putting their foot down more forcefully on this. It's possible they spoke to them, but there should be repercussions beyond just "shut down this one app".

EDIT: https://seekingalpha.com/news/3427520-apple-banning-facebook...

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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post #45

If I tried something like this I’d have my developer account totally revoked and all my apps pulled; but I can’t imagine that happening to Facebook. It makes sense but it’s interesting that there’s a systemic de-risking of the way big players operate while simultaneously being in a position to do the most damage.

They've had their enterprise signing certificate revoked. https://seekingalpha.com/news/3427520-apple-banning-facebook... > Apple says. "Any developer using their enterprise certificates to distribute apps to consumers will have their certificates revoked, which is what we did in this case to protect our users and their data.”

Does that mean FB's mobile device management for stuff like VPNs is now broken for their employees?

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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post #95

I struggle to see how software developers can willingly do work on a project that goes against all values and morales! I have previously worked with developers in start-ups and was amazed to hear some of their backgrounds. One previously worked for a company that bundles spyware with freeware MSI products. Another worked for an airline agency, where they advertise fake a discount on tickets when the price was in fact…

It's almost as if people have different morals and values...

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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post #32

What a bullsh*t. People got some money for giving up some privacy. Nobody was forced to do this. And now everybody is freaking about a fairly reasonable trade. What's next? People will start harassing students/researchers that do paid studies?

And now everybody is freaking about a fairly reasonable trade OK let’s imagine that you have a close friend or family member with some confidential issue - maybe an illness, maybe debt, maybe they are in the closet. Occasionally they message you, on old -fashioned SMS or email mentioning something about it. How many dollars is a reasonable trade to tell a data collection agency everything you know so they can add it…

Probably a lot more than $20/month. But it certainly has a price. What FB is doing is definitely scummy, but if individuals are disclosed of the risks and exactly what the app does, I think they should be able to make this trade if they want to.

I probably wouldn't, unless it was in excess of maybe >$1000/month. And even then I'd probably just get a new phone. But people should have the right to sign contracts, even if they seem exploitative, as long as they are aware of what they are agreeing too.

The main problem it seems here is that a lot of the people were underage.

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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post #32

What a bullsh*t. People got some money for giving up some privacy. Nobody was forced to do this. And now everybody is freaking about a fairly reasonable trade. What's next? People will start harassing students/researchers that do paid studies?

And now everybody is freaking about a fairly reasonable trade OK let’s imagine that you have a close friend or family member with some confidential issue - maybe an illness, maybe debt, maybe they are in the closet. Occasionally they message you, on old -fashioned SMS or email mentioning something about it. How many dollars is a reasonable trade to tell a data collection agency everything you know so they can add it…

Good point. Someone else essentially gets paid to compromise your privacy without your consent.

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And now everybody is freaking about a fairly reasonable trade OK let’s imagine that you have a close friend or family member with some confidential issue - maybe an illness, maybe debt, maybe they are in the closet. Occasionally they message you, on old -fashioned SMS or email mentioning something about it. How many dollars is a reasonable trade to tell a data collection agency everything you know so they can add it…

Good point. Someone else essentially gets paid to compromise your privacy without your consent.

I mean, if you tell me something, I can legally decide to tell someone else. Unless we signed a contract or something.

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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Fb is only "shutting down" it's iOS Spyware due to "bad press" not due to a sudden realisation that spying on children who are incapable of understanding the long-term consequences of the privacy invasion is fundamentally wrong/evil. Fb only stop doing things that are obviously morally reprehensible when they get caught or called out in the media. They never proactively doing the right thing. :-(

It's not even that--they are not stopping the identical Android app, only the iOS one. From the media/public standpoint, the programs are nearly identical, so this is clearly a case of either Apple ordering them to stop and/or they know they are hosed for giving Apple the finger and trying to pull the plug before Apple revokes their entire company's enterprise certificate, which would break any internal apps (the intended use of enterprise certs) that they may be using. So it's not even the bad press, just them risking angering a company they depend on to do their business.

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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post #95

I struggle to see how software developers can willingly do work on a project that goes against all values and morales! I have previously worked with developers in start-ups and was amazed to hear some of their backgrounds. One previously worked for a company that bundles spyware with freeware MSI products. Another worked for an airline agency, where they advertise fake a discount on tickets when the price was in fact…

> I struggle to see how software developers can willingly do work on a project that goes against all values and morales! Personally, this doesn't really go against my morals or values. They installed the app. No one forced them to. Not everyone has the same set of morals and values you do. If it's not illegal and no one is harmed. I don't care so much.

It's the "no one is harmed" part I strongly disagree with. Perhaps they signed up for something and have perfect knowledge of how Facebook will use the information they collect (doubtful) but the rest of us will be impacted, manipulated and harmed in some way by what Facebook ultimately ends up doing with the data that their guinea pigs willingly gave up.
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