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Feds Can't Force You to Unlock Your iPhone with Finger or Face, Judge Rules

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Re: Feds Can't Force You to Unlock Your iPhone with Finger or Face, Judge Rules

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Post by chrischen »

burtonator wrote: post #95
kevin_b_er wrote: post #2

I won't believe this ruling is safe until it goes thru higher levels. The Executive Branch has over the past 2 decades has shown a large propensity for attempts to disregard the 4th and 5th amendments, and I see no change in this posture or the attempts to subvert them with the current political climate.

Bio identification is for usernames... not passwords. NEVER use a fingerprint or an iris scan for a password. That's insane! Just don't do it.

Well out of convenience you kind of have to. But if you really wanted to you can just disable it at ports of entry.

Re: Feds Can't Force You to Unlock Your iPhone with Finger or Face, Judge Rules

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Post by scarface74 »

baroffoos wrote: post #106
oskkejdjdkjd wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police are absolutely allowed to lie during an interrogation. I’ve seen it done multiple times. The most disturbing interrogation I’ve ever seen was actually the one where a teenager murdered his own father while under the influence of magic mushrooms. He was taken into the interrogation room shortly after the murder but enough time had elapsed that he was sober and just starting to understand the gravity of what he…

Did you expect the guy to get off free for murder?

No but they also use the technique to coerce a confession out of someone who is innocent as part of a plea bargain.

Re: Feds Can't Force You to Unlock Your iPhone with Finger or Face, Judge Rules

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Post by mLuby »

parent5446 wrote: post #107
burtonator wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bio identification is for usernames... not passwords. NEVER use a fingerprint or an iris scan for a password. That's insane! Just don't do it.

Most people don't have attackers going after them who are harvesting fingerprints to get into their devices.

Am I wrong that an (inevitable) biometric data breach would mean this can be done on the cheap (if you were unlucky enough to have given your data to a third party)?

Re: Feds Can't Force You to Unlock Your iPhone with Finger or Face, Judge Rules

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Post by gammateam »

supernova87a wrote: post #108

I doubt this will hold up. You can be compelled by a court to have your blood withdrawn if a warrant is issued while you're under suspicion of DUI. Why would it not be similarly allowable to have your finger placed on the unlock button? Testimonial privilege (against being forced to testify) is about not being made to say / speak statements against your own prosecution. Speech. Testimony. Having evidence taken is not…

“A California [federal] judge” yeah I stopped reading there

Even the 9th circuit appeals court upholding this ruling wouldnt be something to trust

This part of the country simply doesnt have consensus with the rest and doesnt have power over the constitution, whether I like the ruling or not.

Re: Feds Can't Force You to Unlock Your iPhone with Finger or Face, Judge Rules

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Post by Scoundreller »

chrischen wrote: post #111
burtonator wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bio identification is for usernames... not passwords. NEVER use a fingerprint or an iris scan for a password. That's insane! Just don't do it.

Well out of convenience you kind of have to. But if you really wanted to you can just disable it at ports of entry.

Which is easy enough to do on iOS: Hit the sleep/wake button 5 times quickly.

Re: Feds Can't Force You to Unlock Your iPhone with Finger or Face, Judge Rules

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Post by justtopost »

Angostura wrote: post #110
burtonator wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bio identification is for usernames... not passwords. NEVER use a fingerprint or an iris scan for a password. That's insane! Just don't do it.

What about for devices that don't have usernames?

Still a bad idea as a password.

Re: Feds Can't Force You to Unlock Your iPhone with Finger or Face, Judge Rules

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Post by gammateam »

gigatexal wrote: post #36
lgleason wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a high probability that this will be challenged at a higher level.

Let’s hope the Supreme Court hears it and it stands.

The only way for this to stand is if the 9th circuit upholds the ruling and the Supreme Court declines to hear it

Another circuit will disagree with the 9th circuit and the supreme is forced to take the case, they wont uphold a novel 9th circuit ruling

There isnt an interpretation of the constitution possible for them to, and a the composition of the court makes this even more unlikely to pluck from thin air

Re: Feds Can't Force You to Unlock Your iPhone with Finger or Face, Judge Rules

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Post by mLuby »

baroffoos wrote: post #106
oskkejdjdkjd wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police are absolutely allowed to lie during an interrogation. I’ve seen it done multiple times. The most disturbing interrogation I’ve ever seen was actually the one where a teenager murdered his own father while under the influence of magic mushrooms. He was taken into the interrogation room shortly after the murder but enough time had elapsed that he was sober and just starting to understand the gravity of what he…

Did you expect the guy to get off free for murder?

Guilt is orthogonal to due process. What if the kid hadn't committed the murder but was duped into making incriminating statements anyway? Furthermore, considering testimony given while under the influence is ridiculous.

Re: Feds Can't Force You to Unlock Your iPhone with Finger or Face, Judge Rules

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Post by Retra »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #38
Retra wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're willing to argue that the output of a polygraph is evidence of something in absence of any responses you give during questioning?

I'm arguing that the idea that anyone is allowed to connect anything to me while they ask me questions is perverse, reprehensible, and absurd .

That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. You can (and should) simply refuse to take any polygraphs. It will never work in your favor.

Re: Feds Can't Force You to Unlock Your iPhone with Finger or Face, Judge Rules

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Post by gammateam »

scarface74 wrote: post #20

This nice and all in theory but looking through the lens of reality where police are legally allowed to lie to get a confession - claiming they have evidence that they don’t have to coerce a confession and seeing that “rubber hose decryption” is real, it really doesn’t mean much in practice. Edit: Since people don’t seem to believe that police are actually legally allowed to lie during an interrogation: https://www.n…

When people downvote you on this website, it doesnt mean they dont believe you

They just dont like what you say

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