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Netflix Takes Down Episode of Hasan Minhaj’s Show in Saudi Arabia

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Re: Netflix Takes Down Episode of Hasan Minhaj’s Show in Saudi Arabia

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Post by dogma1138 »

raverbashing wrote: post #36
dogma1138 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a bit different in the U.K. official parliament footage isn’t allowed to be used for satire or anything other than news reporting. This was more of a copyright claim than censorship. They could literarily have broadcast the same thing with muppets instead of the official footage and that would’ve been ok and a large part of wishes they had done just that. “We wanted to show you footage from the House of Common…

Is the law really from 1743? I mean, it can make sense, but I would find it interesting if the law was really that old

No I pulled that one out of my ass but surprisingly wasn’t that far off.

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Post by dogma1138 »

eeeeeeeeeeeee wrote: post #87
dogma1138 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a bit different in the U.K. official parliament footage isn’t allowed to be used for satire or anything other than news reporting. This was more of a copyright claim than censorship. They could literarily have broadcast the same thing with muppets instead of the official footage and that would’ve been ok and a large part of wishes they had done just that. “We wanted to show you footage from the House of Common…

Semantics. You can call it whatever you want, but it’s censorship.

No it’s not, this has nothing to do with the political message of the content, they could’ve shown anything they wanted heck they could’ve shown a 30min footage of someone calling TM a cunt and that would not have been censored.

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Post by dogma1138 »

intopieces wrote: post #37
dogma1138 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a bit different in the U.K. official parliament footage isn’t allowed to be used for satire or anything other than news reporting. This was more of a copyright claim than censorship. They could literarily have broadcast the same thing with muppets instead of the official footage and that would’ve been ok and a large part of wishes they had done just that. “We wanted to show you footage from the House of Common…

>This was more of a copyright claim than censorship. Copyright claims that result in reduced access to media are censorship.

This claim didn’t reduce access to media, this isn’t censorship as they couldn’t care less about the actual message or tried to block it on political grounds.

This is HBO likely not being familiar with obscure British legislation as some others have pointed out they had to use dogs instead of actual SCTOUS footage as there is a US law that forbids footage of the Supreme Court from being used.

The fact that you even consider this censorship only proves you likely never experienced what true censorship means.

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Post by dogma1138 »

tony101 wrote: post #70
dogma1138 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a bit different in the U.K. official parliament footage isn’t allowed to be used for satire or anything other than news reporting. This was more of a copyright claim than censorship. They could literarily have broadcast the same thing with muppets instead of the official footage and that would’ve been ok and a large part of wishes they had done just that. “We wanted to show you footage from the House of Common…

> "This was more of a copyright claim than censorship." Why should taxpayer-funded creations be copyrighted? They should be in the public domain by default, like in the U.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_work_by_th...

While I don’t disagree with the notion that this is stupid. I disagree with the equivalence to censorship it’s a stupid old law, not means to silence political opinion they could’ve called each MP a cunt for 30 min and aired it just fine.

HBO just didn’t realized it when making this programme, they have had to avoid other similar limitations by using dogs instead of supreme justices due to similar restrictions in the US.

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Post by dandare »

bilbo0s wrote: post #84
CoolGuySteve wrote: post #80

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Let's also remember "regulatory backlash" can mean something that threatens the personal safety and freedom of a company's employees in that country. When talking about censorship in these places, we should consider the ethical ramifications of possibly getting someone 'disappeared' for non-compliance.

> the ethical ramifications of possibly getting someone 'disappeared' for non-compliance... Given recent events vis-a-vis Saudi Arabia, I'm pretty sure that something a whole lot worse than being 'disappeared' happens to you. I hear the authorities there are not above using chainsaws to resolve the differences they might have with you.

Chainsaws will be your least problem in Saudi torture den (state prison). See Confessions of an Innocent Man: Torture and Survival in a Saudi Prison

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Post by kkarakk »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #110
charlieflowers wrote: post #17

First time I've heard of the show. I watched about 20 minutes ... pretty good. The style reminds me of Samantha B ... political commentary sprinkled with humor.

The style is very formulaic in my opinion. Find something outrageous someone said or did or contradicting themself, then say "that would be like if..." And make an extreme analogy usually with crude or sexual humor. Personally, it's tiring and the information density is too low. And sometimes the logic of the analogy doesn't work, and they pretend the analogy proves something even though analogies never do, they can…

why is information density a meaningful metric for comedy? i agree with the rest of your point, it's formulaic and repetitive at this point

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Post by slededit »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #110
charlieflowers wrote: post #17

First time I've heard of the show. I watched about 20 minutes ... pretty good. The style reminds me of Samantha B ... political commentary sprinkled with humor.

The style is very formulaic in my opinion. Find something outrageous someone said or did or contradicting themself, then say "that would be like if..." And make an extreme analogy usually with crude or sexual humor. Personally, it's tiring and the information density is too low. And sometimes the logic of the analogy doesn't work, and they pretend the analogy proves something even though analogies never do, they can…

I think John Stewart’s show was a little more intelligent. His discussion with Jim Cramer comes to mind - he actually convinced him and Jim changed his show noticeably afterwards.

These newer shoes exist mainly to speak to the already converted.

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Post by slededit »

dogma1138 wrote: post #113
intopieces wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This was more of a copyright claim than censorship. Copyright claims that result in reduced access to media are censorship.

This claim didn’t reduce access to media, this isn’t censorship as they couldn’t care less about the actual message or tried to block it on political grounds. This is HBO likely not being familiar with obscure British legislation as some others have pointed out they had to use dogs instead of actual SCTOUS footage as there is a US law that forbids footage of the Supreme Court from being used. The fact that you even c…

There is no Supreme Court footage at all. They refuse to allow cameras in the chamber.

There’s no law enforcing this except those which give the judges full control over their proceedings. They could let CNN in tomorrow if they so decided.

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Post by ryanmercer »

mhh__ wrote: post #95
eeeeeeeeeeeee wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Semantics. You can call it whatever you want, but it’s censorship.

It is, however: For better or worse, British political media is regulated. Around election time, for example, Purdah bans all political advertising apart from allocated x minute slots

>Purdah bans all political advertising apart from allocated x minute slots

I wish we would adopt this, not that I watch live television anymore though but plenty of people still do.

"Joe Smith once let his dog crap on a lawn, Joe did not pick it up, do you want Joe in office? Paid for by the committee to help the group to help the council to elect Jane Doe"

Next commercial break

"Jane Doe uses 3 cans of hairspray a week yet claims to care about the environment. Jane only cares about her hair. Paid for the by the cabal to support the organization of the committee of electing Joe Smith'.

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