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Re: CSS grid garden

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Post by pjmlp » Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 3:45 AM UTC

learc83 wrote: post #106

ndnxhs wrote: post #97

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Programmers don't count from 0. Its just in many languages it makes sense like in C where an arrays name is actually a pointer to the first element and the index says how many positions to move away from it so foo[0] is the pointer to the first element and then move 0 spaces away. The tradition of starting at 0 just got carried on to everything because having a standard is better than having to memorize what everythi…

There are good reasons to start counting at 0 beyond convention. Dijkstra wrote a small essay on the topic in 1982 called "Why numbering should start at zero." http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD08xx/EW...

As someone that started programming in languages that count from 1, I kind of disagree with that essay.

Specially when dealing with Algol derived languages, where the indexes can be specified in a flexible way.

Re: CSS grid garden

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Post by alexknowshtml » Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 3:50 AM UTC

reaperducer wrote: post #40

This makes me sad. Not because I don't like grid. But because two weeks ago I found out that a very senior person in the company has a computer running IE11, and will not let IT upgrade her machine. She recently discovered that one of the company's web sites doesn't look right in IE11, and shit ran downhill into my lap. I checked the logs, and yep... she's the only IE11 machine to hit any of the web sites in a year.…

I did the exact same thing for a corporate client who had one room of machines running IE5.5 back in 2004-5.

Re: CSS grid garden

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Post by stan_rogers » Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 5:07 AM UTC

gcb0 wrote: post #76

reaperducer wrote: post #40

This makes me sad. Not because I don't like grid. But because two weeks ago I found out that a very senior person in the company has a computer running IE11, and will not let IT upgrade her machine. She recently discovered that one of the company's web sites doesn't look right in IE11, and shit ran downhill into my lap. I checked the logs, and yep... she's the only IE11 machine to hit any of the web sites in a year.…

ah, post-google chrome developers. Most people here will be too young to remember, so let me tell an old-people tale of when everyone used Netscape (which cost $29.99 ...let that sink in first of all), and then microsoft gave IE for free for everyone! Then webdevelopers without a true CS background (and by that i do not mean university), like yourself, started to use IE niceties to develop. One of those niceties was…

Navigator was free at first; Netscape's idea was that the money was in the web server. Free (that is, initially price-matched) MSIE just made changing strategy different when the server thing fell flat. Netscape going all in on JSSS (with a half-assed CSS translation module) didn't help at all, nor did strict hierarchical access paths (no "all" collection object, which also affected how the CSS-that-was-really-JSSS worked)... and missing the idea of background requests (XMLHttpRequest) sealed the deal.

Re: CSS grid garden

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Post by smbullet » Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 5:42 AM UTC

twblalock wrote: post #45

superkuh wrote: post #12

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The walled garden I speak of is the implementation of add-ons cryptographically signed by Mozilla only. Unless you run one of the betas (w/bugs) you cannot use any add-on not approved by Mozilla. And lately they've even been removing/banning add-ons that aren't illegal but otherwise upset outside corporations (ie, the paywall bypasser that uses googlebot's http headers substituted in).

Your definition of walled garden is pretty broad and includes all major browsers.

Well yeah, they basically said that in their original comment. Is it not possible for all major browsers to be walled gardens?

Re: CSS grid garden

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Post by smbullet » Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 5:43 AM UTC

PavlovsCat wrote: post #15

superkuh wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The walled garden I speak of is the implementation of add-ons cryptographically signed by Mozilla only. Unless you run one of the betas (w/bugs) you cannot use any add-on not approved by Mozilla. And lately they've even been removing/banning add-ons that aren't illegal but otherwise upset outside corporations (ie, the paywall bypasser that uses googlebot's http headers substituted in).

Is there a browser you would recommend, if we ignored their HTML/CSS rendering for a second, based on ethical considerations, so to speak? I like making things compatible when I don't need anything modern, and would be interested in hearing about any browsers you think are worth supporting.

I would be very interested in this as well. Especially as someone who makes silly browser extensions they never intend to publish.

Re: CSS grid garden

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Post by craigzucchini » Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 6:39 AM UTC

reaperducer wrote: post #40

This makes me sad. Not because I don't like grid. But because two weeks ago I found out that a very senior person in the company has a computer running IE11, and will not let IT upgrade her machine. She recently discovered that one of the company's web sites doesn't look right in IE11, and shit ran downhill into my lap. I checked the logs, and yep... she's the only IE11 machine to hit any of the web sites in a year.…

Why not make the version you send to her the default experience, then progressively enhance with flexbox and grid, while only iterating on the grid version?

Re: CSS grid garden

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 6:46 AM UTC

reaperducer wrote: post #40

This makes me sad. Not because I don't like grid. But because two weeks ago I found out that a very senior person in the company has a computer running IE11, and will not let IT upgrade her machine. She recently discovered that one of the company's web sites doesn't look right in IE11, and shit ran downhill into my lap. I checked the logs, and yep... she's the only IE11 machine to hit any of the web sites in a year.…

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Re: CSS grid garden

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Post by kristopolous » Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 7:00 AM UTC

Is there a more legible version of this that's not grey on oh-so-slightly lighter grey?

I'd love to use it but I was looking at the grey box for about 3 minutes before I realized there was text in there.

Re: CSS grid garden

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Post by vlovich123 » Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 7:24 AM UTC

twblalock wrote: post #78

reificator wrote: post #73

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> who would likely wonder why I'm was wasting her time At which point you show how much money is being thrown away here.

This is somebody who successfully refuses to let IT upgrade her computer. That means she has a huge level of power in the organization and feels entitled to disregard policy. Do you honestly believe she cares about the IT department wasting a little bit of money (and it really is just a little bit relative to what she probably deals with), or would respond well to an IT guy pointing out his salary in an attempt to co…

She seems like she's an easy attack vector into the company network. Is her computer also completely firewalled off from anything important or does the company not care about breaches?

Re: CSS grid garden

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Post by daveFNbuck » Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 7:53 AM UTC

kristopolous wrote: post #118

Is there a more legible version of this that's not grey on oh-so-slightly lighter grey? I'd love to use it but I was looking at the grey box for about 3 minutes before I realized there was text in there.

You can use your browser's inspector to change the CSS for the background and/or text color of the box. There aren't any page loads between exercises, so it'll stay changed as you progress.