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Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by msla »

pjc50 wrote: post #85
fulafel wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a reference for this block list rumor? Sounds worrying.

Most ISPs use the "Internet Watch Foundation" blacklist. I'm not convinced that there was any real risk of Tumblr being added to it en masse . (I believe there was an incident a few years ago where an image of an Iron Maiden album cover on wikipedia got flagged, though)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Watch_Foundation_and_...

NOTE: The image is on the article above the fold.

> On 5 December 2008, the Internet Watch Foundation (IWF), a British watchdog group, blacklisted content on the English Wikipedia related to Scorpions' 1976 studio album Virgin Killer, due to the presence of its controversial cover artwork, depicting a young girl posing nude, with a faux glass shatter obscuring her genitalia. The image was deemed to be "potentially illegal content" under English law which forbids the possession or creation of indecent photographs of children. The IWF's blacklist are used in web filtering systems such as Cleanfeed.

You can see from my note how much long-term effect this had on Wikipedia.

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by Beldin »

tokyodude wrote: post #100
josephg wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know you write this in jest, but the problem is that when Germans talk purely to other Germans on Facebook, they still have to do so according to American cultural standards. I can stage a protest on the street outside here in Melbourne and the social rules, expectations and conventions that I am subject to are Australian. But there’s no equivalent online - if I organise that protest with other Australians on FB or…

I agree with almost everything you wrote but... it's easy for me to see almost no connection between viewing violence and people commiting violent behavior. It's much easier for me to see a connection between sexy media and sexual behavior with consequences like teen pregnancy and STDs. I watch a violent movie yet I don't want to commit violent acts after. I watch a sexy movie and I do start to desire to have sex. it…

First: there's no "but" - you're not disagreeing worth anything GP wrote.

Second: if we're going to go by anecdotal evidence, then we'll definitely have to ban anything remotely violent, as kids imitate that. While anything but overt depictions of sexuality are fine, since kids tend not to imitate them.

Oh, and we should also ban the Teletubbies. Some kids started to hug their oversized tv sets ("big hug!"), causing it to topple and hurt the children.

Alternatively, we could try standards not based on anecdotal evidence or one small group's moral views.

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by ytqaz »

badpun wrote: post #98
laser wrote: post #29

The suppression of the viewing of the human body in its natural form, especially in art, is one of the deepest perversions of society. It seems so intrinsically tied to the suppression and control of pleasure by institutions seeking dominance over human life. When you control access to the natural pleasures of life, you have control over the motivations and operations of that life. In prior times, when religions were…

Have you wondered why extremely successful cultures (Christian, Muslim) have/had rules against public nudity? I had, and my (layman) conclusions were that public nudity creates too much sexual tension, and that is bad for stability of society. Hence, societies just function better without public nudity.

That's what's causing the downfall of western society: forgetting that we owe everything to Christianity.

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by snaky »

eli wrote: post #109
brian-armstrong wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they'll want to, if they're ad supported. Adblockers don't run on native apps, and in general apps have better access to relevant ad sell info. A lot of ad supported companies are giving up on the web.

Most people don’t run Adblock on mobile and probably aren’t getting any better ad rates running native ads vs mobile web.

Mobile app can gather a lot more user data.

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by rayalez »

Tempest1981 wrote: post #52
rayalez wrote: post #47

Somewhat unrelated - ArtStation has a browser extension that randomly opens a random artwork every time you open a new tab, and I highly recommend it, it's one of my favorite extensions and a great way to see some stunning artworks, it always brightens my day. On topic - dumb decision, nothing new, not very surprising, waiting for PWAs to get to a point where arbitrary Apple/Google rules don't matter anymore.

The extension sounds cool. Have you found it SFW?

About as SFW as the front page of ArtStation, which is, in my opinion, very. Though who knows, I guess you might see an occasional elf boob or something.

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by DanBC »

fulafel wrote: post #83
DanBC wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but they're not responding because they're puritan idiots, they're responding because not doing so risks their business. Specifically, they risked being added to European block lists in use by almost all EU ISPs. Of course there are ways around this, but no business wants to tell its users to install Tor Browser Bundle to visit a website.

Do you have a reference for this block list rumor? Sounds worrying.

It's not a rumour, it's well known that many ISPs use the IWF blocklists. https://www.iwf.org.uk/become-a-member/services-for-members/...

The blocks are supposed to be used for individual pages, not the domain. https://www.iwf.org.uk/become-a-member/services-for-members/...

In the past the IWF could only take action when an image was reported to them. Recent changes (2013) mean they are now allowed to search out this content.

Those blocks should take the form of "splash pages" warning that the content is illegal. Some of the splash pages provide links to charities working with potential offenders to reduce their likelihood of offending. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/tackling-illegal-images-n...

But Interpol has a list of "worst of" content where the domain is expected to be blocked: https://www.interpol.int/Crime-areas/Crimes-against-children...

Together this means that a site that has images of child sexual abuse, and which does nothing to proactively stop that content, is likely to face increasing levels of regulations. It's also a pretty poor look for advertisers. I'm not saying that Tumblr's response makes any technical sense. I am saying that it makes sense from a business perspective.

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by DanBC »

msla wrote: post #111
pjc50 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most ISPs use the "Internet Watch Foundation" blacklist. I'm not convinced that there was any real risk of Tumblr being added to it en masse . (I believe there was an incident a few years ago where an image of an Iron Maiden album cover on wikipedia got flagged, though)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Watch_Foundation_and_... NOTE: The image is on the article above the fold. > On 5 December 2008, the Internet Watch Foundation (IWF), a British watchdog group, blacklisted content on the English Wikipedia related to Scorpions' 1976 studio album Virgin Killer , due to the presence of its controversial cover artwork, depicting a young girl posing nude, with a faux glass shatter ob…

The block on that page was for four days. Of course that had no impact on WP.

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by supergirl »

laser wrote: post #29

The suppression of the viewing of the human body in its natural form, especially in art, is one of the deepest perversions of society. It seems so intrinsically tied to the suppression and control of pleasure by institutions seeking dominance over human life. When you control access to the natural pleasures of life, you have control over the motivations and operations of that life. In prior times, when religions were…

it is not really google’s fault. google is obeying american norms. if they were to allow naked pictures you can be sure some senators etc. will be outraged and start their pitchforks. the tragedy here is that google’s dominant position means all other countries have to follow american norms.

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by toyg »

tokyodude wrote: post #100
josephg wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know you write this in jest, but the problem is that when Germans talk purely to other Germans on Facebook, they still have to do so according to American cultural standards. I can stage a protest on the street outside here in Melbourne and the social rules, expectations and conventions that I am subject to are Australian. But there’s no equivalent online - if I organise that protest with other Australians on FB or…

I agree with almost everything you wrote but... it's easy for me to see almost no connection between viewing violence and people commiting violent behavior. It's much easier for me to see a connection between sexy media and sexual behavior with consequences like teen pregnancy and STDs. I watch a violent movie yet I don't want to commit violent acts after. I watch a sexy movie and I do start to desire to have sex. it…

You probably had your fair share of “pew pew” when you were a kid. That was your “i get the desire of violence” phase, then you just got desensitised. Or do you think everybody in the porn industry is perennially aroused on the workplace? Obviously not.

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by snaky »

pjc50 wrote: post #88
krn wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take this as the best explanation why Reddit is pushing its app so hard, even though it has a one of the most visited websites in the world. It's not about user engagement with content. It's about user engagement with ads.

Indeed. A lot of work has been put into degrading the mobile experience with banners and prompts and delays to force users onto the app. Sensible people use BaconReader, but I wonder how long that will be allowed to continue.

Why not open source apps like RedReader?

https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.quantumbadger.redreader/

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