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Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada
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Re: Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada
#112As bad as it may sound, but from what I can read in the tweets, he did violate the sanctions by using slack while being in iran. Well, that is called breaking the law and I fully understand why slack terminated his account when he broke the law and violated their terms of service. For example, other services or tools (like cisco anyconnect) clearly state, that you are not allowed to use them when in embargoed contrie…
He lives and works in Canada. I cannot see how this is violating canadian laws.
Maybe the issue is that slack is an American entity subject to U.S. law, regardless of where the organization or employee is based.
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#113As an outsider, I am really surprised by how deep-rooted America's hostility is towards Iran. Shi'ite Iran certainly has human rights issues, but as far as terrorism is concerned the majority of them are orchestrated by Sunni groups. 9/11 hijackers, Al Queda, Islamic State, Paris attackers - are all Sunni.
* cough * Israel * cough *.
Re: Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada
#1141) Is there a way to sync your Slack with a Mattermost or similar? It's nice to have both public and private in case one dies.
2) The US has a reputation for being quite aggressive with certain things. Can't be surprised if some firms take steps that seem overkill. Not that it makes it better, but rocks and hard places.
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#115My wife’s Slack account was closed yesterday. She created the account while traveling in Cuba (legally) years ago and hasn’t been back to Cuba or any other sanctioned country since. She is a cofounder of an org that uses Slack heavily and has now lost access to all her messages and files from the past couple years of work. There appears to be no appeal process here.
Cuba is one of the most popular destination for Canadians, can't ever imagine what would happen if they actually ban everyone that had their IP over there at some point in the last few years.
Re: Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada
#116As an outsider, I am really surprised by how deep-rooted America's hostility is towards Iran. Shi'ite Iran certainly has human rights issues, but as far as terrorism is concerned the majority of them are orchestrated by Sunni groups. 9/11 hijackers, Al Queda, Islamic State, Paris attackers - are all Sunni.
Iran is an easy enemy for the US government to offer to its citizens. Because of the fairly harsh anti-US rhetoric circulated by the Iranian government to its citizens since the revolution (itself because of our previous support of the Shah and current support of Israel) for purposes of maintaining power, it's easy to say "Look, Iran hates America." The Shia / Sunni distinction is largely lost on the average American…
> almost every Iranian I've met in the US has been an awesome person
Yeah because most of the ones here are the kids of the high-level government officials from before the revolution.
Re: Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada
#117Aside from the obvious wrong of blocking people based on their origin, what's up with these companies closing accounts with no warning and no recourse? I know they're private companies and they _can_ do it, but just because you can doesn't mean you should. Why not give the user even a few days notice so they can communicate with support to try and clear things up? Taking the OP's story at face value, Slack should eas…
At least give them access to a downloadable archive of all their content and maybe inform other users that interacted with this user about alternative methods of contact.
Re: Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They were using Slack from Syria though. This doesn't excuse anything. People in Syria are people too. This is similar to how people were calling for websites to block access to Europe over the copyright thing. The internet is a place where you don't even need to have a nationality. It is a place where we can all exist as pure thoughts. Why are we letting politics fuck it up?
The internet is not a place. It only functions to connect people and places which exist in physical locations that are bound by national and regional laws, and the transfer of data between locations is subject to these rules.
That's true of snail mail, or telegrams, or even phone calls. But I'd argue the internet is so fast, and so high bandwidth, and so always-available, that it is a qualitatively different thing from merely a transfer of data between physical locations.
It is a place where things happen that aren't just transfers of information between physical places. For example, Hacker News is a place within the wider place that is the web.
You can argue that it is something other than a "place" (maybe "community"? or "society"?) but then you can just substitute "community" or "society" where I wrote "place" in my previous comment and everything still holds.
Re: Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada
#119As an outsider, I am really surprised by how deep-rooted America's hostility is towards Iran. Shi'ite Iran certainly has human rights issues, but as far as terrorism is concerned the majority of them are orchestrated by Sunni groups. 9/11 hijackers, Al Queda, Islamic State, Paris attackers - are all Sunni.
Americans don't even understand the distinctions among Christian groups. If you actually went inside a Methodist church and asked people how their doctrine differs from Presbyterians' (or vice versa) you'd get mostly blank stares. So it should hardly be surprising that they don't recognize divisions in other religions. What they do understand is countries, and the US relationship with Iran has long been marked by enmity on both sides. Also, Iran's relationship with Israel is even worse, and that alone would ensure US enmity.
Re: Slack closes account of an Iranian user living in Canada
#120Aside from the obvious wrong of blocking people based on their origin, what's up with these companies closing accounts with no warning and no recourse? I know they're private companies and they _can_ do it, but just because you can doesn't mean you should. Why not give the user even a few days notice so they can communicate with support to try and clear things up? Taking the OP's story at face value, Slack should eas…
Simple: it costs them money and resources to go through the process you described, whereas it costs them almost nothing to directly close the account and send an automated message.