Would RMS post be classified differently then view my weekend hack posts?
"Rate My Startup" Post Policy
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
You cannot downvote comments older than 24 hours. Submissions can't be downvoted at all.
Also I believe you cannot down-vote comments you reply to or that reply to you or something of the sort. That is to avoid flame wars. I think the grandparent (xatax) is being far too timid, I am sure 221 karma is enough to do anything on here that any other non-moderator is allowed to do.
Except that PG increased the karma required to downvote from 201 to 501
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#113The place for this would probably be ratemystartup.com (yes, it exists, no it's not my site)
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#114I don't think it is unreasonable to ask people to invest time in the community before they can request the community to invest time evaluating their product.
Investing time does not equal karma. I have posted about 10 comments so far and only have 2 karma. Most of the threads I post in never make it past 20 total posts. Requiring people to have a certain amount of karma will make them only post more comments to achieve said karma. And the more unnecessary posts there are, the lower the quality is of those posts.
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#115not suggesting that HN should copy other sites out there... but twitter and the like have a "report as spam" feature.
this, in conjunction with a min karma requirement, could possibly be a useful tool to enact more drastic measures towards combatting spam on the HN site. no idea what form this would take. enough "report as spam" votes by high-level users might ban the user directly, or maybe just generate an email to some administrative review process that would make the final decision.
i, too, have noticed a recent surge RMS posts and, though i'm a newcomer to the site myself, find them rather annoying as well.
of course there are probably RMS posts being generated by well-intentioned HN readers who aspire to be an active part of the community but lack a firm history of contributions at the time they make them. it seems like there are also people who try to game the system looking for a cheap, but highly visible, promotion. even if that's not the case, asking the community to review one's ideas before an individual has made any significant contributions to the community seems contrary to the notion of "karma".
for what it's worth, i'll do my part to not clog up the feed with premature/shameless RMS posts :D
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#116As someone who posted one of those RMSs that got closed, I understand your reasoning but am not pleased with the execution.
My RMS was not spam. I'd been participating on the site and had posted feedback to multiple RMSs posted by other people. I only had 50 karma, because many of those RMS posts never made it to the front page or ever got more than a few comments.
I was already getting great and very useful feedback on my own RMS and it had spent some time on the front page with about 23 upvotes. Then it was closed with out warning. I never received an e-mail - or a comment telling me why it was closed. Only that commenting to it was suddenly shut off.
Five seconds would have shown that my RMS was not spam. Reading the comments alone would have shown that. At the very least, I think users posting with in what appears to be the current rule of things deserve the courtesy of a comment or e-mail explaining why their post was killed.
What is the karma threshold or an RMS post?
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree, but it's important that what qualifies as investment matters. Perhaps a function of comments, votes, submissions and time the account has been around. As an aside, how would we distinguish between RMS posts and regular posts? Would the spammers simply revert to normal posts? I think if this is the case then perhaps we should reconsider the goal. If the goal is to stop spam masquerading as RMS, then it seems…
I'm reminded of the first time I saw PG speak, it was on bayespam at MIT -- he noted that if SPAM can come up with interesting and engaging email, he'll happily read it. I imagine that as soon as someone is posting interesting content, RMS or not, PG and others won't think of them as 'spammers' anymore, rather contributors.
Mine was pretty interesting to the 10 people who's commented and the 23 who'd voted it up. It was still closed.
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#118Perhaps you could add a moderation queue for RMS posts from users below a certain karma? It would kinda suck to completely block ALL of the RMS posts from new users.
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#119I can definitely imagine lurkers creating accounts to show off their latest project, so auto-killing posts from newly created accounts doesn't seem like the best way. Perhaps make it policy that all RMS submissions be text submissions explaining the idea to give it a bit of authenticity, and every RMS submission with a link in the title be auto-killed. I don't imagine spammers would go through the effort of writing o…
If there was an established rule about who got to submit RMS posts, lurkers would know that and create accounts.
And spammers could create lots of accounts, wait until each is mature, and then unleash it. How can you tell the difference between a spammer that creates a stealth account and a lurker that still doesn't have anything to say, but is creating an account so he can eventually participate fully?
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also I believe you cannot down-vote comments you reply to or that reply to you or something of the sort. That is to avoid flame wars. I think the grandparent (xatax) is being far too timid, I am sure 221 karma is enough to do anything on here that any other non-moderator is allowed to do.
Except that PG increased the karma required to downvote from 201 to 501
Well that explains it. Thanks for the update.