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Re: Thank you to dang and sctb

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Post by yesenadam »

tinkerteller wrote: post #104
wild_preference wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at your screenshot you post elsewhere ( https://ibb.co/hoSMHK ), I have to agree with them insofar as you need to know when to quit. Running a forum is hard work and everyone wants to devolve every mod decision into rules lawyering, like "well, then why wasn't this specific thing in the rules?" No, there can't be a rule for literally everything, so you're just going to have to be an adult and take it on the c…

While I don’t agree with @comesee, I don’t see his comments are offensive/vulgar language. Even the parent comment states very short and simple fact: > dang called me a troll after I simply asked him exactly what it was about my comment that warranted it being removed. Why do you think this tiny little comment worthy of immediate massive downvotes so that no one even can upvote it any more? Is it your expectation tha…

1. Because the comment didn't stop there. Why leave off the bit on the end? Because it would ruin your case? 2. Because, with what I've learnt of dang, the comment you quoted is certain to be not the whole story, to the point of being false. I'd wager a lot of money on that.

Re: Thank you to dang and sctb

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Post by Insanity »

slededit wrote: post #74
Insanity wrote: post #23

Their nicks don't ring a bell with me, and I've been here for ~2 years. Which probably means that what they're doing is a good thing though, not a lot of flame wars going on! (Or alternatively, I just stay away from articles that might cause need for more moderation). But thanks! Good mods are crucial for a place like this

You probably don't have showdead enabled. Unlike other places bans come with an explanation - so I see them fairly often following flagged posts.

Oh indeed, that is disabled for me, good point!

Re: Thank you to dang and sctb

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Post by pvg »

dieterrams wrote: post #101
pvg wrote: post #100

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smelling of tribalism/favoritism. Downvoting something for complaining about votes is fairly normal. Downvote baiting on top is flagworthy. I imagine lots of people quite sensibly apply these as a matter of course.

One imagines they do. I'm not sure that's what's going on here, though.

Why wouldn't exactly that be going on here? It's a grade-A downvotable, flaggable comment.

Re: Thank you to dang and sctb

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Post by shawn »

nickpsecurity wrote: post #59

Although Ive seen questionable decisions occasionally, over 99% of what Ive seen with showdead on was a tremendous volume of useless or negative comments HN is better of without. That's on top of work to stop things like vote manipulations. dang also intervened to calm my ass down in some scruffles. Agreeing or disagreeing, he always respinded to my questions or gripes in email with thoughtful points. So, thanks Dan…

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Re: Thank you to dang and sctb

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Post by waterhouse »

danso wrote: post #79
chris_wot wrote: post #75

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Can't say I've experienced this, he treated me pretty badly in the past. Most times he is OK though. By all means downvote me, btw. This backslapping post on the front page only wants to hear about how amazing the mods are, so the bias is pretty evident.

I didn't downvote but I think others might have because you leveled an allegation so vague as to be irrefutable. I think dang has been a great mod and have only seen the interactions that involve me, or have been upvoted. Doesn't mean I wouldn't be interested in seeing substantive criticism from those who've experienced differently.

If there were a search engine that, say, turned up comment-pairs where dang replied to chris_wot, then it would be easy to get a sampling of their (public) interactions. I doubt any normal search engines (or even hn.algolia.com) do it. (And both posters are active enough that going through history is impractical. BTW, as one data point, 14 of dang's last 36 comments contain the word "please".) Perhaps someone has a database of HN comments that could be queried in such a way. But yeah, in the absence of links or a pointer to such a database, it's not substantiated and so the reader's evaluation is going to depend primarily on their prior opinions.

Re: Thank you to dang and sctb

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Post by choot »

I don't think dang is a good mod. They've removed my ability to downvote or make a new thread.

In fact, they remind me of Stackoverflow community.

I didn't ran into problem with sctb tho, i think he's fine. But dang, she needs tone down her impulse of over moderating everything.

I don't agree with all their methods and opinions. Most threads which hurt business are deranked and removed. Specially, the ones which discuss the dark side of the startups, after all YC has to make sure no one rocks their boat.

And the ones which discuss sexual harrasment or racism in YC Startups or Valley startups, are removed from the first page faster.

Lifestyle business threads are also removed from first page so that no entrepreneur might imagine that something is possible without VC funding.

Pretty, sure these guys get paid for their work. I don't see why should we be thankful afterall it's free market. If they don't like their job, someone else will.

The purpose of this forum is to attract talent from all around the world to silicon valley and mining the bright people who comment there for ideas for next billion dollar startup which YC guys will fund as they got those investors on their side.

Rest of us really don't benefit in material way other than probably a feeling of winning an argument on internet and raising testosterone/dopamine a bit.

Re: Thank you to dang and sctb

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Post by choot »

reitanqild wrote: post #97
bhengaij wrote: post #86

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They're just regular mods. On a toxic one-up community. I'd like then to at least have a courtesy of mentioning when someone is (shadow) banned.

I think they don't shadow ban people anymore since sometime after pg left. I am somewhat rate limited it seems for reasons but I won't complain. I'm possibly more annoying than them.

> I think they don't shadow ban people anymore since sometime after pg left.

That's false. They also take away your individual ability to post a thread or upvote. They do this silently.

Re: Thank you to dang and sctb

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Post by claudiawerner »

tinkerteller wrote: post #102

While I know how hard these people work, I really cannot support your enthusiasm. The users are often banned at slightest opportunities and they are not even informed what they did wrong or the fact that they just got banned. They would just get dreaded “your are posting too fast” error and all their future posts and comments are automatically de-ranked forever with no recourse or appeal to these higher powers. I fel…

>They would just get dreaded “your are posting too fast” error and all their future posts and comments are automatically de-ranked forever with no recourse or appeal to these higher powers.

Hear hear. This is by far the worst part of HN. It makes me very annoyed, more than any discussion on this site has, to see that I'm posting too fast... By having a discussion or responding to multiple people. What a horrible restriction.

HN is open source and you can see how they put a flag on your account if they think you argue too much.

Re: Thank you to dang and sctb

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Post by tinkerteller »

yesenadam wrote: post #111
tinkerteller wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I don’t agree with @comesee, I don’t see his comments are offensive/vulgar language. Even the parent comment states very short and simple fact: > dang called me a troll after I simply asked him exactly what it was about my comment that warranted it being removed. Why do you think this tiny little comment worthy of immediate massive downvotes so that no one even can upvote it any more? Is it your expectation tha…

1. Because the comment didn't stop there. Why leave off the bit on the end? Because it would ruin your case? 2. Because, with what I've learnt of dang, the comment you quoted is certain to be not the whole story, to the point of being false. I'd wager a lot of money on that.

Hugh? “So, no thanks actually.” part was so important for you? I see how people like you and others have taken up to be the judge and jury and hang anyone who diverges from the echo chamber. It’s quite a shame that people who would like them to identify themselves as hackers have turned in to moral police and suppress any minority opinions however respectfully presented. Hope is that a new website would comes along as replacement someday that protects freedoms of opinion, expression and speech from this self-righteous crowd.

Fun fact: there are zero suppressions for any comments praising the mods in this thread. Now go read the definition of “echo chamber”.

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