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Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Re: Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Post by netwanderer3 »

Great article! This explains the reason why Google started receiving so much shit since last year. Typically you would see them appearing gradually but for anyone who live on the internet, I'm sure they noticed the sudden sharp increase in Google attacks starting from the end of last year.

It is incredible that the NYTimes were able to obtain some very private information that was presented in this article. It must have been leaked through someone at a very high ranking within Facebook executive team.

Re: Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Post by pbalau »

pm90 wrote: post #102
bepotts wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly it. Look, Facebook needs to get its act together. They are in need for serious reform. However, mainstream media knows that Facebook is under a ton of pressure and these types of stories generate a ton of clicks. I know people want Facebook to die, but Facebook's usage has remained pretty much the same during all these negative stories. The public is not hating Facebook as much as people want to belie…

> The public is not hating Facebook as much as people want to believe. > But the media has its narrative and it'll continue this "Facebook is evil" beat. The same with Clinton's email server, and more recently, the same with that immigrant caravan coming up from Central America. The media doesn't just report on the public's current taste; its also an agent for advising the public to change their taste. To throw light…

About second half 2016, iirc, Facebook changed the News Feed, so instead of showing first Pages content in your feed, they were showing what your friends posted/shared first. One could argue this was a good thing. What happened after is that many, if not all pages got a hit in reach/traffic. Who do you think has been hit the most by this? Media maybe? (less traffic redirected to their websites, less opportunities to show adds on said websites, less money for them). I think there even was a story about Murdoch trying to persuade Zucky to change his mind, found one: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/12/facebook-rupert-murdoch-thre...

Re: Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Post by richardaway »

netwanderer3 wrote: post #111

Great article! This explains the reason why Google started receiving so much shit since last year. Typically you would see them appearing gradually but for anyone who live on the internet, I'm sure they noticed the sudden sharp increase in Google attacks starting from the end of last year. It is incredible that the NYTimes were able to obtain some very private information that was presented in this article. It must h…

The tide has really turned against Sheryl Sandberg internally. I think some of her entourage are either reading the tea leaves or trying to create them.

Re: Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Fought Through Crisis

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Post by bromuro »

bepotts wrote: post #21
tareqak wrote: post #15

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Would you consider a significant drop in Facebook's European user base to be crisis [0]? [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-revenue-and-user-gr... - Facebook's user base is declining in Europe, and that ought to terrify its American bosses

Losing 2 to 4 million users out of 375 million users is hardly "significant". It's something to look out for of course, but trying to insinuate that Facebook is in trouble in Europe with those numbers is a stretch.

It seems to me that some people and the mainstream media want to see Facebook in crisis, so they interprete any stats or analysis with such bias.

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Post by humanrebar »

jseliger wrote: post #11

Is there an actual crisis, outside the media narrative? Has Facebook seen an actual fall in monthly, weekly, or daily active users? To me, this story reads a lot like a media narrative that has very little to do with users's actual lives. And I've been reading variations on "Why Facebook sucks" and "Why Facebook is doomed" for a very long time. It's like the "Why this is the year of Linux on the desktop," but for med…

> ...doesn't want to confront its own role in the 2016 election...

Of all the things to blame the media for, being too critical of Clinton is an unfamiliar one to me. Especially when conventional media sources were clearly hostile to Trump but enamored with Trump stories.

If we are going to blame the media for something, it should be feeding the trolls, which it still has a hard time with to this day. Trump got incredible amounts of free press despite having much lower funding levels than Clinton.

We could call the email controversy uninteresting but it is clearly a story about corruption and unevenly applied laws and regulations. The story was about the corruption and cover-up, not IT infrastructure.

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Post by humanrebar »

leroy_masochist wrote: post #25

Facebook's recent preoccupation with staying in Washington's good graces, as described in the article, seems misplaced. It almost seems like the long-term personal legacy concerns of Zuck, Sandberg, Bickert, and others (many of whom clearly aspire to elected or appointed office) is taking precedence over FB's actual strategic priorities. If I were running FB, my main worry would be the fact that it's devolved into a…

> ...it's devolved into a platform for baby boomers to yell at each other about politics.

I think the draw of a Two Minutes Hate isn't specific to an age group.

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Post by thanatropism »

humanetech wrote: post #104
skeptic_69 wrote: post #45

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not just jaron lanier! there are multiple thinkers who are fellow travelrs. Cal newport, Tristan harris, Nicholas Carr...

Tristan Harris, founder of the non-profit Center for Humane Technology (CHT) [0] has been quite successful at high government circles and board level of big tech companies. At the time Mark Zuckerberg didn't want to testify in the UK, he testified to the UK House of Commons commission to inform them about Fake News [1] In the corporate world the strategy is to 'Engage employees', make them aware of the harms of techn…

The other day I heard Time Well Spent get thoroughly mocked in The Culture podcast, but I was too out of the loop to understand why. Still am.

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Post by jcbrand »

dwd wrote: post #86
gaius wrote: post #41

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They kept your shadow profile and are still tracking you, I guarantee it

The shadow profile is probably just as valuable as a real one when it comes to selling advertising. And that's what matters. Everything else is just a cost of doing business.

There's no way it can be just as valuable.

For one, if you're not using their site, they can't show you ads there.

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Post by phillipamann »

minimaxir wrote: post #4

Funny quote: > “We’re not going to traffic in your personal life,” Tim Cook, Apple’s chief executive, said in an MSNBC interview. “Privacy to us is a human right. It’s a civil liberty.” (Mr. Cook’s criticisms infuriated Mr. Zuckerberg, who later ordered his management team to use only Android phones, since the operating system has far more users than Apple’s.)

This is just corporate posturing. Apple recently banned VPN's that have the potential to block ads including Freedom [1].

[1] https://freedom.to/blog/freedom-has-been-temporarily-removed...

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Post by seanhunter »

chickenfries wrote: post #23
samfisher83 wrote: post #7

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If Tim cook believed this why is he taking billions from google to be the default search engine? Why not pick a more privacy friendly search engine?

DuckDuckGo’s search results aren’t as good for the average user.

Not sure this is true. Just yesterday I had to explain to an average user how ddg was answering a query they couldn't get answered in google. This was a really basic thing (finding the NYC office address of a company we were working with). For some reason Google just wouldn't return the result whereas it was top hit on ddg.
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