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Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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Setting up your own hosting provider (read: servers) might be a bit of a hassle, but it's nothing compared to setting up your own telephone network. Gab is free to purchase their own servers and provide the necessary facilities.

Sure, you don't need shared hosting, just setup your own servers. Until someone kicks you out of there server space... Sure, you don't need shared server space, just setup your own co-location facility. Until someone decides not to give you backhaul... Or until someone decides they won't provide you with DNS. Or DDoS protection. Or Payment gateway. Or... or... or... The reality we are facing is that some political op…

> Gab is benign, they started based on people getting kicked off Twitter

Read the official twitter profile (what they write and reteweet). And then tell me again that they're not explicitly reaching for the racist fringe.

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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Gab is in the same category as The Daily Stormer. It's not courageous to hide behind free speech absolutism to protect content that invites others to violence. That's being too weak to engage in making the hard choices of what you will support with your efforts. It's the exact opposite of being principled.

Except that The Daily Stormer is creating their own content while Gab is just hosting others. I'm sure I could find YouTube comments equally as bad as comments on Gab.

The era of tech washing their hands of being accountable for user generated content on their platform is over. YouTube works quite hard to keep their platform safe. It's still not good enough. But I'm sure they have more people working on that problem than have ever worked on Gab.

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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post #98

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Gab is in the same category as The Daily Stormer. It's not courageous to hide behind free speech absolutism to protect content that invites others to violence. That's being too weak to engage in making the hard choices of what you will support with your efforts. It's the exact opposite of being principled.

Except that The Daily Stormer is creating their own content while Gab is just hosting others. I'm sure I could find YouTube comments equally as bad as comments on Gab.

Their original logo was a variation of the stupid pepe frog. They’re not a neutral platform. They were built as a platform for the racist alt-right.

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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What if, instead of either of these, we made it clear as a society that advocating violence against or the elimination of a class of people is unacceptable and we gave no venue for that conversation whatsoever?

But most people believe some people should be eliminated, the only thing that changes is who depending on your political alignment.

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Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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There is a lot of strawmanning when it comes to free speech. Virtually no one claims the 1st Amendment guarantees people a platform or that it applies to corporations. Yet, I see people clarifying that constantly...when no one is saying otherwise. Free speech as an American ideal, that's all people are really saying. Anyhow, Joyent has every right to shut down their hosting services to anyone they feel...and no one r…

Exactly. It's _because_ the right to free speech doesn't apply outside of government that we need to diligently support it. If we foster a culture of protectionism, we'll erode our culture of free speech to the point where only the majority opinion is allowed, and the majority is quite often wrong.

I choose to not engage with sites like gab and voat, but I also vehemently defend their right to exist. Hosting providers, payment processors shouldn't discriminate except on the basis of the customer's ability to pay or illegal use of the platform. That doesn't mean they should be forced to serve those they don't agree with, but we as a culture should avoid companies that discriminate.

I saw posts in favor of PayPal's choice to refuse service to Gab, and honestly the whole thing made me want to use PayPal _less_. I don't appreciate censorship at all, though I respect people's right to censor.

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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I have been following the issue of Internet polarization since 2014 [1], and I propose two different ways to mediate the situation on a societal level: - Have a neutral platform to facilitate discourse and mutual understanding. This is hard as it requires a largely informed populace. - Complete segregation of groups having different opinions. This proves to be also hard because of incidents like this. [1] https://par…

Sites like Gab are supposed to be that neutral platform. The problem is that some people (like "Asparagirl" in the other thread) identify providing a neutral space with supporting the enemy and immediately try to get that neutral third party shut down. They use arguments like "we found a bad user" (as in this case) or "that place is garbage it all deserves to be silenced", i.e. shooting the messenger. There actually…

From my own experience, Gab's founders and public facing opinions seem to support extreme, hateful content in an explicit, non-neutral manner, rather than being a neutral platform that unfortunately must host those things due to its neutrality.

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

#117

There is a lot of strawmanning when it comes to free speech. Virtually no one claims the 1st Amendment guarantees people a platform or that it applies to corporations. Yet, I see people clarifying that constantly...when no one is saying otherwise. Free speech as an American ideal, that's all people are really saying. Anyhow, Joyent has every right to shut down their hosting services to anyone they feel...and no one r…

> Gab might rightfully deserve being kicked off, but > Free speech as an American ideal, that's > all people are really saying. It's not the only American ideal. https://youtu.be/D4EjRzzRQLI

Oh yeah - the non-American ideal of punching people who disagree with you about foreign policy?

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

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> Gab might rightfully deserve being kicked off, but > Free speech as an American ideal, that's > all people are really saying. It's not the only American ideal. https://youtu.be/D4EjRzzRQLI

Oh yeah - the non-American ideal of punching people who disagree with you about foreign policy?

    > people who disagree with you about foreign policy
That's what you call them? Well then, who needs police? There's no criminals, just "people who disagree with you over domestic policy" /s

More seriously, the friction here is over which behaviors are beyond the pale. Personally, I would feel uncomfortable describing Nazi sympathizers as holding "different views." It's in the same bucket, for me, as people who torture small animals. That's not just a "different view" to me, it's "beyond the pale."

I would not like to meet someone for whom nothing at all is beyond the pale. Even libertarians will do some hand-waving to support state restrictions on rape, murder, etc. Their hand-waving is not so different from mine regarding free speech.

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

#119

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Oh yeah - the non-American ideal of punching people who disagree with you about foreign policy?

> people who disagree with you about foreign policy That's what you call them? Well then, who needs police? There's no criminals, just "people who disagree with you over domestic policy" /s More seriously, the friction here is over which behaviors are beyond the pale. Personally, I would feel uncomfortable describing Nazi sympathizers as holding "different views." It's in the same bucket, for me, as people who tortur…

1. Isn’t viewing someone as “beyond the pale” such that they deserve summary punishment and/or execution dehumanizing? How is that different than the guy who tortured small animals because he views them as objects and not living things?

2. Even those libertarians would give murderers and rapists benefit of a court of law where they can explain themselves. Consider this video: https://youtu.be/NUqytjlHNIM

Re: Gab.com Booted from Hosting Provider Due to User Account

#120

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> people who disagree with you about foreign policy That's what you call them? Well then, who needs police? There's no criminals, just "people who disagree with you over domestic policy" /s More seriously, the friction here is over which behaviors are beyond the pale. Personally, I would feel uncomfortable describing Nazi sympathizers as holding "different views." It's in the same bucket, for me, as people who tortur…

1. Isn’t viewing someone as “beyond the pale” such that they deserve summary punishment and/or execution dehumanizing? How is that different than the guy who tortured small animals because he views them as objects and not living things? 2. Even those libertarians would give murderers and rapists benefit of a court of law where they can explain themselves. Consider this video: https://youtu.be/NUqytjlHNIM

  > Even those libertarians would give murderers and rapists benefit of a court of law where they can explain themselves.
Somehow I have found myself arguing for violence, which wasn't so much my original intent. I mainly wanted to remind the OP it's an American value to oppose demagogues and authoritarians. The clip I linked is from a film which is one of the best-selling and most critically successful pieces of Americana. My main point isn't that one should go around attacking people, as much as it is that Americans had strong feelings about Nazi sympathizers.

  > Isn’t viewing someone as “beyond the pale” such that they deserve summary punishment and/or execution dehumanizing?
Yes. It's a matter of recursion. The Weimar court that imprisoned Hitler after the Beer Hall Putsch gave him five years. The maximum sentence he was eligible for: life. From what I understand of the history, he charmed the court. If the court had been less tolerant, they would have spared 6 millions Jews, 20 million Russians, and many others.

Everyone on the left quotes Karl Popper these days, but it's worth noting that he only condoned intolerance against the intolerant in cases where it was the last resort. So if there's a movement gaining real popularity that threatens to replace your government with a dictatorship, it's a problem. If it's a few harmless cranks, society can ignore them.

  > How is that different than the guy who tortured small animals because he views them as objects and not living things?
Well, a guy who tortures a bear in the process of preventing it from attacking a campsite... not a big problem. However, I actually was thinking with that example... how much obligation do we have to give a talking stick to a movement that condones torture for fun.
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