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Companies headquartered in California can no longer have all-male boards

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Re: Companies headquartered in California can no longer have all-male boards

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How about we don't pass blatantly sexist laws in the first place instead? What is the problem you're 'trying' to fix that doesn't apply to any other minority?

(1) It's sexist in an attempt to solve sexism in the same way that affirmative action is racist in an attempt to solve racism. Sometimes, the ends justify the means. Unless you believe that only old white men are capable of being on the board you should ask yourself why only old white men are on the board. What is it about society, or the system, that has gotten us to where we are? What if we tried this and see what…

> Unless you believe that only old white men are capable of being on the board you should ask yourself why only old white men are on the board.

Have you asked that question and looked for a scientifically valid answer instead of jumping to bigotry?

There are many objective reasons for that, one being:

> Fewer women than men become executive managers. They earn less over their careers, hold more junior positions, and exit the occupation at a faster rate. We compiled a large panel data set on executives and formed a career hierarchy to analyze mobility and compensation rates. We found that, controlling for executive rank and background, women earn higher compensation than men, experience more income uncertainty, and are promoted more quickly. Amongst survivors, being female increases the chance of becoming CEO. Hence, the unconditional gender pay gap and job-rank differences are primarily attributable to female executives exiting at higher rates than men in an occupation where survival is rewarded with promotion and higher compensation.

> There is still a question of why women have a higher nonmarket outside option than men. One explanation is that women acquire more nonmarket human capital than men throughout their lives, and hence find retirement a relatively attractive option. Women in the top executive market are mostly beyond childbearing age, but there is evidence that such women are more likely to leave for personal and other household reasons than their male counterparts. For example, Sicherman (1996) finds that in a case study of a large insurance company, female executives were more likely than their male counterparts to exit the firm because of better working conditions elsewhere, to be near home, change of residence, household duties, personal health, illness in the family, and positions abolished. Most of those reasons, except position abolished, are voluntary departures related to home or family.

http://humcap.uchicago.edu/RePEc/hka/wpaper/Gayle_Golan_Mill...

Re: Companies headquartered in California can no longer have all-male boards

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Of these companies how many are competitive with American business?

I forgot how America's man-only board driven companies are the only competitive ones in the world :P Thanks for reminding me?

It's a simple question. Are you able to answer it?

A Danish state owned power company or some other local to EU, protected company, doesn't really have any effect on the world market, does it? It does not have anything to offer in terms of innovation or management skills.

Re: Companies headquartered in California can no longer have all-male boards

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A slippery slope argument seems really justified here as this legislation applies to boards that are quite small in size. If women need this special advantage, we only have to find a few other deserving minorities (race, religion and age seem like reasonable choices) before it is illegal to use merit as the first criteria for making up a corporate board. There is also a real concern with regulation like this is that…

> I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people who object to this are sexists. What? You point out the problems with how dumb this law is and then turn around and accuse anyone of objecting to it being a sexist?

I think he meant that a potential chilling effect on discussion of such regulation is the likelihood that objectors would be labelled as sexist, thus being ignored as opposed to having their points debated upon their merit.

Re: Companies headquartered in California can no longer have all-male boards

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If it's a start towards that, it's anything but good. Do you realize how many protected classes there are? And I'm sure that I could find a larger one than women.

Which one?

Outside of Christianity, and obesity -- which isn't a protected class IIRC -- I can't think of any that make up more than 51% of the population.

The US Black population is around 13%; Hispanic population is closer to 18-19%. Asian and Pacific Islander is around 5%. LBGT population is estimated at around 5-6%; transgender estimated at around 0.3%. Muslims are In 2017, 80.4 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.3 percent of all wage and salary workers. Minimum wage isn't a protected class though.

Re: Companies headquartered in California can no longer have all-male boards

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> I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people who object to this are sexists. What? You point out the problems with how dumb this law is and then turn around and accuse anyone of objecting to it being a sexist?

I think he meant that a potential chilling effect on discussion of such regulation is the likelihood that objectors would be labelled as sexist, thus being ignored as opposed to having their points debated upon their merit.

He didn't say that though, and it wasn't a complex sentence.

Logically speaking it's the other way around. People who are for this law are sexists (they want discrimination on the basis of sex) and the people against it are the non-sexists (appoint purely on merit). Obviously it will be inverted in many discussions: Orwell didn't invent the term doublespeak for no reason.

Re: Companies headquartered in California can no longer have all-male boards

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The article seems light on explaining the reasoning behind the law. Its proponents clearly want to increase the average female-male ratio on corporate boards. But that doesn't mean that a few boards being nearly all-male is necessarily bad. There must be a better, less blunt way to encourage companies to open more board seats up to women.

It does explain, but unfortunately the justification itself is light:

> "despite numerous independent studies that show companies with women on their board are more profitable and productive"

The scourge of biased 'social science' strikes again. The politician believes that science has shown that women make companies better (but oddly, men don't make companies with all female boards better).

I've encountered a few studies over time claiming to show this. Every single one was junk. Common problems are:

1) No ability to replicate, e.g. citing private databases and then just asserting the outcome. This is a frequent problem with studies that come out of management consultancies and other such groups.

2) Dropping data points. One study I read that concluded women on boards = more profit started by excluding all the unprofitable companies from the analysis.

3) Confounding variables. It's typical for such studies to simply compare profitability against gender without controlling for other factors. For example they look at firms in the middle east (all men) and say, look, western firms are more profitable, it must be because of women. This is especially problematic when they include countries in the analysis where there are already laws forcing women onto boards - invariably it's the richest countries that do this i.e. those without bigger problems to worry about.

I have never encountered a study that showed with any scientific validity that companies make more money when they have women on the boards. Yet now these faux 'studies' are causing major law changes throughout the world.

This is of course exactly what the (invariably female) authors of these studies wanted in the first place. It is sickening and may eventually result in severe blowback.

Re: Companies headquartered in California can no longer have all-male boards

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I wish these laws would focus on the issues with the pipeline, instead of bandaid "fixes" like this. It's insane to me that we can look at women still being encouraged to study soft majors like art, history, teaching, etc, and then be surprised that they're not becoming board members of huge companies 20-30 years later.

There are SO MANY reasons that women are not becoming leaders of companies at the same rate as men, and the glass ceiling is such a small part of the larger picture.

This seems like an unbelievable lazy and dishonest attempt at fixing a real problem.

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