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Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Post by _red »

tuukkah wrote: post #100
nulbyte wrote: post #87

After reading what little documentation is available and installing a single-user solid server myself, I wonder if this is how people felt when the World Wide Web was first invented. I find myself asking: Okay, now what? Except I think even the World Wide Web, when it was first invented, at least had a demo that worked. Solid doesn't even seem to work. Following instructions for "learn[ing] how to install and run you…

This may be hint regarding how to authenticate: https://github.com/solid/node-solid-server#testing-solid-loc... > In order to really get a feel for the Solid platform, and to test out solid, you will need the following: > 1. A WebID profile and browser certificate from one of the Solid-compliant identity providers, such as solid.community. EDIT: Seems if you run `solid init` and accept the defaults, it will configure…

I look forward to the day where getting on the internet is like opening a bank account, complete with KYC verification.

I will love standing in line at my local DMV and waiting for my WebID profile to be approved.

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Post by ericand »

gfodor wrote: post #88
nulbyte wrote: post #87

After reading what little documentation is available and installing a single-user solid server myself, I wonder if this is how people felt when the World Wide Web was first invented. I find myself asking: Okay, now what? Except I think even the World Wide Web, when it was first invented, at least had a demo that worked. Solid doesn't even seem to work. Following instructions for "learn[ing] how to install and run you…

AFAICT there are literally no apps to try this on. Why did they decide to announce this and publicize it before a basic, well-polished, example was ready? The pod signup process is using vanilla bootstrap, there wasn't even a visual design pass.

Especially considering that they claim you can make an app in a lunch hour. They were just one lunch hour from a "solid" launch!

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Post by chongli »

throwawaymath wrote: post #101
Moru wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that a lot of things was instantaneous just 20 years ago. I can't believe how slow even new smartphones are when I'm trying to make a phonecall... Every press of a button feels slow, there have to be animations scrolling screens left and right instead of instantly activating something. Every time I'm using something new and flashy, I feel like I'm stuck in sirup.

I don't recall anything on the internet being instantaneous 20 years ago. Surely you're misremembering? I also don't find that new smartphones have much touch-based interface latency; but even so, that kind of latency doesn't have anything to do with the internet, nor the halcyon days of late 1998. To my recollection browsing the web in the late 90s was far more exciting but also far less useful than today. The moder…

My computer from 20 years ago was a lot snappier than anything I've used today. And this is not just nostalgia, there is data to back it up:

https://danluu.com/input-lag/

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Post by nulbyte »

tuukkah wrote: post #100
nulbyte wrote: post #87

After reading what little documentation is available and installing a single-user solid server myself, I wonder if this is how people felt when the World Wide Web was first invented. I find myself asking: Okay, now what? Except I think even the World Wide Web, when it was first invented, at least had a demo that worked. Solid doesn't even seem to work. Following instructions for "learn[ing] how to install and run you…

This may be hint regarding how to authenticate: https://github.com/solid/node-solid-server#testing-solid-loc... > In order to really get a feel for the Solid platform, and to test out solid, you will need the following: > 1. A WebID profile and browser certificate from one of the Solid-compliant identity providers, such as solid.community. EDIT: Seems if you run `solid init` and accept the defaults, it will configure…

I was actually able to authenticate, finally. I guess somehow the configuration was initially corrupted when I first tried. If at first you don't succeed, delete and start over.

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Post by juancampa »

afpx wrote: post #107
nulbyte wrote: post #87

After reading what little documentation is available and installing a single-user solid server myself, I wonder if this is how people felt when the World Wide Web was first invented. I find myself asking: Okay, now what? Except I think even the World Wide Web, when it was first invented, at least had a demo that worked. Solid doesn't even seem to work. Following instructions for "learn[ing] how to install and run you…

I hope there’s a lot more than that. I mean, they claim that they’ve been working on it for 15 years. “Solid has taken 15 years of development work to finally deliver this.” I probably missed something, but I didn’t see mention of Solid being taken through a standards body, either (even his own one). Web protocols were standardized early and were royalty free, with working prototypes. That helped lead to quick adopti…

IMO it's a waste of time to try to standardize something that hasn't proven its value yet. Leads to a design-by-committee situation (committee should be spelled ccoommeettii)

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Post by abeppu »

jchanimal wrote: post #83

The goals are laudable, and sometimes a backwards-looking implementation can get traction faster than a forward-looking one. But the reliance on Pods and URL location-based identifiers roots it firmly in the past. I think the future is the robust content addressable distributed web. Which could give developers the same flexibility, and users the same friendly experience, but with everything virtualized in a peer to p…

Would the content-addressable distributed web really "give ... users the same friendly experience"?

I'm a bit outside my wheelhouse, and I don't fully understand what Solid means when they say "You own your data", but with content-addressable strategies, often users _don't_ really have ownership once something is published in the sense that you can't delete or change something if anyone else is serving a copy.

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Post by infocollector »

nulbyte wrote: post #87

After reading what little documentation is available and installing a single-user solid server myself, I wonder if this is how people felt when the World Wide Web was first invented. I find myself asking: Okay, now what? Except I think even the World Wide Web, when it was first invented, at least had a demo that worked. Solid doesn't even seem to work. Following instructions for "learn[ing] how to install and run you…

Thought this was similar with more details: https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/7d/03/9f/7779479...

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Post by CM30 »

krapp wrote: post #26
chongli wrote: post #8

applications :( Does anyone else feel nostalgia for the pre-"web app" days of the internet? I'm talking about personal sites on Geocities and web rings built on communities of shared interest. The browser was an application for navigating hyperlinked information. Other applications include email clients, news readers, FTP clients, and IRC clients. You never had to download a megabyte of minified JavaScript just to re…

Like a lot of people on HN, you appear to be conflating "download a megabyte of minified JavaScript just to read a 500-word article" with the concept of a web application, and implying that embedded applications are somehow a violation of the web's intended purpose. But hypertext is an application, and the web was always about hyperlinked text as well as embedded content. The and tags and now defunct concepts like VR…

I don't know, the older days also had IRC, messaging apps, internet forums and BBS systems too, and my experience is that the people on the last two tended to be more... mature than the kinds on social media sites. Even today the slower and more thoughtful pace of a traditional forum is more conductive to decent discussions than the obsessively upvote/view focused world of social media sites.
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