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Instagram’s Co-Founders Said to Step Down from Company

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That is rationalization, where we try to apply "logic" to make ourselves feel better about a bad situation. The chances are low that life is better now, after losing out on a chance to be an early part of Instagram. That's like saying a homeless person's life may be better than if he had a home. Ya statistically that scenario is possible. But if you had a choice, do you really want that homeless person to stay homele…

I think the more brutal reality is that just because you had been there then instead of someone else doesn't mean Instagram would have done what it did. Maybe as a first hire you'd have jerked around more than the actual person, or missed deadlines or just made bad choices which lead to zero traction. It's egotistical to assume that it being you instead leads to the same result

Ya I agree, but on the other hand, it's possible that if you had been there instead of someone else, you would have made better choices leading to 10x traction and made Instagram 10x what it is today

I mean, what signals lead you to believe one scenario is more likely than the other?

It didn't sound like he was a weak employee in any way--if anything, he sounded like a strong employee because the founder of Instagram wanted to create a full-time role just to keep him, despite not having much money for the startup back then. I would assume the founder of Instagram is a better judge than I am, of who is good to hire.

It's possible that Instagram would have been more successful if he was there to support it back then.

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lolwut? Instagram today is completely different from the way it started. The app is different, the community is completely different. Literally nothing is the same. It doesn’t even resemble what it once was. It has completely devolved. It may very well be the most toxic property out there. It’s hard to imagine something more phony, optimized soley as a way to waste your time tapping away giving “likes”. Watching somo…

I admit I’m surprised to hear that. I don’t use Instagram that often. Sometimes I pop on to see pictures of friends’ kids, holidays, parties, or events. That’s basically 90% of what I see. I post holiday pictures and interesting things I cook, because some other people like to see them. Sometimes there are ads in my feed, and for the most part they’re inoffensive products that I even sometimes look at! It’s just kind…

I mean, I’m sure there’s a small amount of real photos on IG but I don’t know why you’d post them there. All of the hashslag is about getting discovered. It’s like competitive spamming.

If you find IG wholesome you’ve been living under a rock. I find almost everything about IG offensive these days and it’s only going to get worse.

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Your life now may be better than the one where you accepted Kevin’s offer.

That is rationalization, where we try to apply "logic" to make ourselves feel better about a bad situation. The chances are low that life is better now, after losing out on a chance to be an early part of Instagram. That's like saying a homeless person's life may be better than if he had a home. Ya statistically that scenario is possible. But if you had a choice, do you really want that homeless person to stay homele…

There's more to it than rationalization.

https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy

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Well, there's more than a 50% probability that they're leaving because of conflicts with Facebook, the privacy issues and the push to add more and more ads everywhere. If this were the case, I hope they'd speak up sooner than later. We need voices from within FB and its acquisitions to tell everyone how messed up things are behind the scenes. But you have to give credit to how the company started and how it's been ru…

lolwut? Instagram today is completely different from the way it started. The app is different, the community is completely different. Literally nothing is the same. It doesn’t even resemble what it once was. It has completely devolved. It may very well be the most toxic property out there. It’s hard to imagine something more phony, optimized soley as a way to waste your time tapping away giving “likes”. Watching somo…

Ig's content, imo is still way better than Snapchat or whisper or even Facebook. The annoying thing is that ads are extremely obtrusive (this is a new thing). At least on FB the don't occlude your ability to enjoy other content.

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I admit I’m surprised to hear that. I don’t use Instagram that often. Sometimes I pop on to see pictures of friends’ kids, holidays, parties, or events. That’s basically 90% of what I see. I post holiday pictures and interesting things I cook, because some other people like to see them. Sometimes there are ads in my feed, and for the most part they’re inoffensive products that I even sometimes look at! It’s just kind…

I mean, I’m sure there’s a small amount of real photos on IG but I don’t know why you’d post them there. All of the hashslag is about getting discovered. It’s like competitive spamming. If you find IG wholesome you’ve been living under a rock. I find almost everything about IG offensive these days and it’s only going to get worse.

It sounds like you need to clear up your subscription list.

Re: Instagram’s Co-Founders Said to Step Down from Company

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Your life now may be better than the one where you accepted Kevin’s offer.

That is rationalization, where we try to apply "logic" to make ourselves feel better about a bad situation. The chances are low that life is better now, after losing out on a chance to be an early part of Instagram. That's like saying a homeless person's life may be better than if he had a home. Ya statistically that scenario is possible. But if you had a choice, do you really want that homeless person to stay homele…

It’s not at all difficult to imagine a scenario where his life is better after turning down Instagram. I wouldn’t even say it’s unlikely.

Just name one important relationship he formed in NYC. Done. (Or any of the other infinite ways events could have unfolded more favorably in NYC than in a hypothetical SF)

An engineer in America is wealthy, and has lots of opportunity to see and experience new and interesting things. The idea that his life is almost assuredly worse just because he forwent one unlikely opportunity to become wealthy 50x over instead of just 5x over is silly.

Of all the choices he’s made and will make, I doubt that was a very important one.

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Here's an offtopic observation. This article (from the New York Times ) denoted the names of the Instagram founders as "Mr. Systrom and Mr. Krieger..." The Wall Street Journal has a corresponding article about this story. In that article, the Instagram founders' names are written, "Messrs. Systrom and Krieger..." Despite frequently reading both papers, I can't recall ever seeing "Messrs" before. I thought it was a ty…

My only knowledge of Messrs comes from "Messrs Moony Wormtail Padfoot and Prongs" :)

Re: Instagram’s Co-Founders Said to Step Down from Company

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why on earth would they owe anything to the company?

Not to Mark Zuckerberg, but to the colleagues who've worked for them for years in their shared mission and who would, as normal human beings, appreciate knowing that the high-level departures are not a sign of trouble.

High level departures of this kind ARE a sign of trouble though...

Re: Instagram’s Co-Founders Said to Step Down from Company

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I admit I’m surprised to hear that. I don’t use Instagram that often. Sometimes I pop on to see pictures of friends’ kids, holidays, parties, or events. That’s basically 90% of what I see. I post holiday pictures and interesting things I cook, because some other people like to see them. Sometimes there are ads in my feed, and for the most part they’re inoffensive products that I even sometimes look at! It’s just kind…

I mean, I’m sure there’s a small amount of real photos on IG but I don’t know why you’d post them there. All of the hashslag is about getting discovered. It’s like competitive spamming. If you find IG wholesome you’ve been living under a rock. I find almost everything about IG offensive these days and it’s only going to get worse.

Yeah, I have to agree with the sibling comment - how are you coming across this content? I never see any of it. Al actual photos taken by actual people I know. As far as I’m aware it hasn’t really changed since I first used it years ago, though I’m sure there are a million features I ignore.

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Instagram hasn't copied from Snapchat in a very long time. Have you used Snapchat recently? The UX is completely different and awful now. Instagram is innovating with new features like Video Calling and Live Video that Snapchat lacks.

Video calling and live video is innovation now?

I can't say that I or anyone I know has ever thought "I wish I could do video calling" on IG
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