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Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by nielsbjerg »

fredley wrote: post #3

It's cool that Apple's using your stuff, it's not cool they're not giving you attribution. I'd add a JGuitar url and copyright notice to all your images, so that this is displayed in Apple's results, and also call a lawyer.

What would be the point of the passive agressive behaviour? If the intention is to get Apple to pony up some cash, he should reach out directly to them with valid concerns over traffic etc. If the point is self-promotion, he inadvertently got that now. I think the approach chosen is the right one

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by nathancahill »

There's a lot of misunderstanding here. As someone that has been in a similar situation:

1. It's not Apple, it was Workflows that wrote the tool.

2. It's not an integration, it's an example of how to use Shortcuts.

3. The biggest pain point won't be bandwidth (OP seems to know what they're doing with caching) but fielding user requests/complaints/spam without the upside of the web traffic. iOS 12 has only been up for a few days and he's already getting a ukulele request. Tip of the iceberg.

> We can work together to make this experience even better.

This isn't "working together". This is someone at Workflows finding a neat, unauthenticated API endpoint and using it in a demo. I doubt Apple knows about it.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by bookofjoe »

Sujan wrote: post #27
GrumpyNl wrote: post #9

I dont get it, he should be extremely happy by what they did. Free advertising, free traffic, its like getting a nr 1 result Google. All i read here is, get a lawyer. He should be celebrating.

He actually seems happy - the decriers just live here in the comments. As usual...

Now that's funny!

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by untog »

cyborgx7 wrote: post #108
whatshisface wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wikipedia should be allowed to ask for donations inside of the little Google snippets. Doesn't that sound fair?

Wikipedia is released under creative commons. That is literally the worst example you could have picked.

It isn't, though. The Creative Commons license says "you can use this content", it doesn't say "you are forbidden from assisting the creator of this content in any way".

Creative Commons is great because it allows everyone to use it. But a company the size and stature of Google should consider it a bare minimum, not a target.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by christoph »

adriand wrote: post #47
huhtenberg wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple essentially repackaged this guy's work, used it to enhance their own product in a way that all but eliminates any need to ever visit his website or even know it exists. Excellent.

Crazy thought, but, what if the primary motivation of the creator of JGuitar has nothing to do with his website, his reputation, etc.? For example, what if his primary motivation is to do something useful for others? What if his primary motivation is just to improve the enjoyment of people who like playing guitar? I agree that Apple should have handled this differently. At the same time, I think we should honour this…

Firstly, I do understand why people think this is Apple being a bit scummy, I really do. However, I do want to say exactly what you have. When I reached the bottom of the article I was expecting to see a rant/moan about how hard done by he was by "big evil corporation" and wanted some sort of compensation. I was stunned he invited Apple to reach out, so together they could make it better for everyone. Truly refreshing and reminded me of the attitude I saw more often in the early days of the web.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by Sgt_Apone »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #86
skc wrote: post #44

Only Apple can have someone effusively thanking them for what effectively amounts to abuse. Unbelievable.

For the real artist, most important thing is to know that people use your work and they like it or it's useful for them.

That's an absurd statement. There are plenty of "real artists" that want to make a living with their work. You can't pay your bills with exposure.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by kowdermeister »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #106
kowdermeister wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every URL is kind of an API. Some returns HTML, some JSON. If I write a custom browser that only loads images from web pages then I'm abusing the internet?

You're not abusing the web IMO, however, if you sell that browser there's a good case for contributory copyright infringement as you'd be commercial aiding others in making derivative works from the website owners content.

> however, if you sell that browser

That statement would be true for any webkit based paid browser.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by Fjolsvith »

cyborgx7 wrote: post #83
slivym wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason everyone is reacting the way they are is because this news really isn't about this particular website. It's about the fact that the largest corporation on earth has decided it can freeboot everyone else's content. It's part of a trend too. Google a topic and on the right hand side of the page you'll see the first paragraph from Wikipedia. How exactly do you expect wikipedia to survive if no one ever has to…

The web was literally built do be usable this way. I know people have started to believe that the only allowable way to view "content" is in the way the website builders decided, but your browser is allowed to display the content it downloaded in any way it wants to you.

And the content author doesn't have any copyright say over his content?

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by Fjolsvith »

laumars wrote: post #59
gonmf wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case the author is happy, but the point stands that he wasn't asked. And most people would be angry at receiving no attribution or warning.

Not to mention the huge spike in hosting costs due to the upsurge of new visitors.

For which you many not be receiving any ad revenue...

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by greeneggs »

forthefuture wrote: post #96
cromwellian wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google does reference the Wikipedia source, in fact the right hand box is the #1 way I end up on Wikipedia, I see a a summary, and click the Wikipedia link to read the full article. Wikipedia is the worse example you could have picked, because forking their content is encouraged.

Much of the time I don't see a link to Wikipedia. If I Google "Malta" there is a paragraph on the right and no link to Wikipedia. This also happens in Google Maps, when you click on a city and they have the blurb, much of the time there is no link, so you have to leave the page to Wikipedia the name of the city. Actually having just tried a few different queries, it seems to be inconsistent. I'm not sure why they'd s…

Those Maps blurbs, like for Malta, do not come from Wikipedia.
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