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What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?

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Re: What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?

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Post by drb91 »

Vinnl wrote: post #101
drb91 wrote: post #96

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I always interpreted a “walled garden” as a wall you don’t want, not a carte blanche critique of walls. What’s the appeal of a single massive instance over a federated set of them for end users?

The appeal could be that everyone's on there, and you can't read their posts elsewhere. It needn't start out like that, but it could become that - much like Twitter has been limiting third-party access more and more.

Well, it could, but I see zero reason to think so. More likely is people never leave twitter or facebook in the first place.

Re: What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?

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Post by irrational »

hello_marmalade wrote: post #61
irrational wrote: post #50

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>The idea that you should be able to shield or blind yourself to content is a flat out stupid one. I must be stupid, because I don't understand why I shouldn't have this right.

Because it's counter-productive. I agree with it insofar as things like spam, which has nothing to do with communication, really - but when it comes to just simply, speech, it's a bad idea. Lets take a really overly simplified example. Lets say you don't like people who like Purple. You're a Pink guy, through and through. In fact you hate people who like Purple. You think they're all jerks. So - you decide, you're go…

I disagree. I don't like the Kardashians. I don't care if it is my civic duty to keep up with whatever the Kardashians are wearing today. Just because they are a part of the broader sphere of the world and I apparently need to be aware of and confront things I don't like, such as the Kardashian clan, I have so many better things to do with my attention, no matter how damaging and counter-productive it is for me to avoid Kardashian gossip. Of course I could replace Kardashian with a million other topics.

Re: What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?

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Post by tptacek »

stcredzero wrote: post #110
tptacek wrote: post #77

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I don't understand why this is hard to answer. The reason you can't do that is because the federal Civil Rights Act of 1964 forbids that explicitly, and includes its own definition of what institutions the law applies to. I'm also a bit confused by your "then how do you..." framing, as if you might be able to find a first-principles argument to refute my argument, which is a pretty straightforward fact you can just l…

The reason you can't do that is because the federal Civil Rights Act of 1964 forbids that explicitly, and includes its own definition of what institutions the law applies to. And what is the basis of that definition? as if you might be able to find a first-principles argument to refute my argument There is something there. It does have to do with whether or not people can move and function in the public sphere.

I assume there are several hundred law review articles written by people who are quite a bit more qualified to debate this stuff than we are that can give you several answers to your first question. All I can tell you is: the Civil Rights Act explicitly defines the nature of places where protected classes can and can't be excluded. I'm not interested in trying to reconstruct it from first principles.

Re: What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?

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Post by tptacek »

stcredzero wrote: post #109
tptacek wrote: post #79

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Obviously I'm going to block them by filtering them mechanically, because nobody has a right to demand an argument or a "positive example" from me. With that answer in hand, can you refine your answer to my question?

Obviously I'm going to block them by filtering them mechanically, because nobody has a right to demand an argument or a "positive example" from me. Obviously. However, historically it's a good way to go. Please demonstrate the necessity of your using "demand" in your sentence? You seem to have a pointed bias in how you read my comments. I do demand, however, that people do not use political violence in the US. I also…

You're the only person I see talking about "violence" in this thread, which is actually about mechanically filtering unwanted comments. If there's bias here, it's not coming from me. I don't support political violence either.

Re: What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?

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Post by Twisol »

dang wrote: post #91
Twisol wrote: post #36

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This comment is a stunning example of Poe's law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

Can you please keep flamewar tropes away from here? We don't want the flamewars they lead to. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Sorry, my bad. I just couldn't believe someone could be so dismissive of someone else's experience -- I wasn't sure if I was reading a genuine opinion or a parody. I guess I fell for that myself.

Re: What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?

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Post by stcredzero »

tptacek wrote: post #114
stcredzero wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously I'm going to block them by filtering them mechanically, because nobody has a right to demand an argument or a "positive example" from me. Obviously. However, historically it's a good way to go. Please demonstrate the necessity of your using "demand" in your sentence? You seem to have a pointed bias in how you read my comments. I do demand, however, that people do not use political violence in the US. I also…

You're the only person I see talking about "violence" in this thread, which is actually about mechanically filtering unwanted comments. If there's bias here, it's not coming from me. I don't support political violence either.

Intimidating, shaming, and otherwise excluding people from the public sphere is "mechanically filtering?"

I don't support political violence either.

I'm glad to hear it. I wish I'd hear a lot more of that from the US political left. Have you ever experienced negative attention "just short of violence" from people who have an axe to grind, but who don't want to get in trouble from violence? I have. I've received such attention from people who had an axe to grind against homosexuals. I've received such attention from people who didn't like immigrants. In recent years, the most negative attention "just short of violence" I've received is from people on the far left of US politics.

Re: What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?

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Post by stcredzero »

tptacek wrote: post #113
stcredzero wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason you can't do that is because the federal Civil Rights Act of 1964 forbids that explicitly, and includes its own definition of what institutions the law applies to. And what is the basis of that definition? as if you might be able to find a first-principles argument to refute my argument There is something there. It does have to do with whether or not people can move and function in the public sphere.

I assume there are several hundred law review articles written by people who are quite a bit more qualified to debate this stuff than we are that can give you several answers to your first question. All I can tell you is: the Civil Rights Act explicitly defines the nature of places where protected classes can and can't be excluded. I'm not interested in trying to reconstruct it from first principles.

I'm not interested in trying to reconstruct it from first principles.

Is it because it's quite obvious from common sense, and doing so reveals the hypocrisy in politics and social media today?

Re: What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?

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Post by tptacek »

stcredzero wrote: post #118
tptacek wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume there are several hundred law review articles written by people who are quite a bit more qualified to debate this stuff than we are that can give you several answers to your first question. All I can tell you is: the Civil Rights Act explicitly defines the nature of places where protected classes can and can't be excluded. I'm not interested in trying to reconstruct it from first principles.

I'm not interested in trying to reconstruct it from first principles. Is it because it's quite obvious from common sense, and doing so reveals the hypocrisy in politics and social media today?

What a rude way to end a discussion. I took the time to back to primary sources to inform my responses to you. You owed me better than this kind of snark.

Re: What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?

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Post by tptacek »

stcredzero wrote: post #117
tptacek wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're the only person I see talking about "violence" in this thread, which is actually about mechanically filtering unwanted comments. If there's bias here, it's not coming from me. I don't support political violence either.

Intimidating, shaming, and otherwise excluding people from the public sphere is "mechanically filtering?" I don't support political violence either. I'm glad to hear it. I wish I'd hear a lot more of that from the US political left. Have you ever experienced negative attention "just short of violence" from people who have an axe to grind, but who don't want to get in trouble from violence? I have. I've received such…

First, I'm not the "US political left".

Second, the thread you're commenting on is about the ability of social network operators to block people, both on Twitter and on Mastodon. You're commenting on a thread rooted in a comment suggesting that people should not, under ordinary circumstances, be allowed to block other users on a social network.

The whole thread is there for you to read, and I object to you pretending for the sake of your argument that I'm the one veering it off course. Please stop.

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